Oracle is a business. Despite what we may feel, they are neither evil nor
are they anti-open source or anything like that. They are predictable,
they are lookinout for their shareholders best interest. Looking at thier
long term stock trends, i would say they are pretty good at it. What this
means is thry they are either helmed by a quarum of psychics or they seek
and act on advice of others. IMO if they are convinced an action is in
their shareholders best interest, they will at least listen and may act,
and given the possibility of success not trying is worse than defeat. I
mean, hell, worse case is you have a great story the grandkids hate hearing
about over and over at thanksgiving.
If GF is intentionally or otherwise being killed through neglect (biggest
indication to me is they seemed to have stopped running nightly builds in
October, or at least are no longer posting them to glassfish.org), Oracle
may be primed for such a proposition. This, along with many inside people
leaving because Oracle is not being a good steward of Java, Oracle may
consider moving off what they consider dead weight in a way that paints
them as good stewards of Java. Off the top of my head one reason this
might be in their interest is the $10B lawsuit Oracle is once again suing
google over android.
Further, this isn't without president for Oracle. I mentioned OpenOffice,
but they have also made additional donations such as TopLink to the Eclipse
foundation.
I honestly believe Oracle has demonstrated they can (are) a good steward of
open source technologies IF it supports a current or possible new business
opportunity. We all have our own reasons for supporting open source, or
doing anything for that matter...coming at Oracle saying they should
support EE for any other reason than as an investment with defined risks
and projected profits is not going to (and IMO shouldn't) interest them.
I suppose what I am suggesting is that if the EE/GF community sees value in
GF (the stuff beyond source code) we should carefully (and transparently)
put together a proposal and see where it takes us. Hell, we could even make
that a subproject/team of Payara with is own github repo/home. If they say
'no', we have an official answer and can move on from there. It has value
to me, so I would be willing to work toward this (or however the team
determine best to approach Oracle) if other feel what could be gained for
Java/EE/GF is worth the time.
S
On Friday, April 1, 2016, Markus Karg <karg_at_quipsy.de> wrote:
> IMHO it will never happen that Oracle allows third parties to user any of
> their product names, which GlassFish is one of.
>
>
>
> Hence the only solution you have is to either make your customers
> understand that GlassFish is not supported anymore, or work for other
> customers.
>
>
>
> -Markus
>
>
>
> *Von:* Steven Siebert [mailto:smsiebe_at_gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','smsiebe_at_gmail.com');>]
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 31. März 2016 17:18
> *An:* users_at_glassfish.java.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','users_at_glassfish.java.net');>
> *Betreff:* [gf-users] Re: Glassfish Server Open Source Version
>
>
>
> Sadly, it's not as easy for me to switch to Payara because my customer (US
> Army, but by and large same goes for any federal org under NIST/FISMA/RMF)
> uses the "name" (and version...and applies their own rigid rules on what a
> version format means even though this is vendor/program specific...but
> another story for another day) as a unique reference "identifier" in
> approval/accreditation/IA documents. Sadly, changing from GF to Payara,
> despite its technical AND security benefits, is more difficult than it
> should be. If/when we get to that point, we wouldn't just be moving from
> GF to Payara, we would be looking at it in a much bigger picture, including
> considering moving away from the GF technology altogether (something I
> don't necessarily want to do). This is why I stepped out of the shadows and
> commented - however silly, it would be beneficial if the "Glassfish"
> trademark/name be moved.
>
> Moving the designation as EE RI along with that would be amazing for the
> Java EE community, but just the designation would save time and money
> downstream.
>
> S
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Markus Karg <karg_at_quipsy.de
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','karg_at_quipsy.de');>> wrote:
>
> We also are migrating our customers to Payara and are very happy with that
> company, but we would love to have a cleaned situation, i. e. Oracle
> clearly telling that GlassFish is dead.
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Andreas Ernst [mailto:ae_at_ae-online.de
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ae_at_ae-online.de');>]
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. März 2016 16:55
> An: users_at_glassfish.java.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','users_at_glassfish.java.net');>
> Betreff: [gf-users] Re: Glassfish Server Open Source Version
>
> Hi Markus,
>
> Am 31.03.16 um 16:40 schrieb Markus Karg:
> > Maybe „the community” should simply fork GlassFish on GitHub, register
> > hundreds of well-known contributors there as the new managing
> > organization, and then ask Oracle to simply hand out the trademark
> > name. ;-)
> >
> > I bet, they won’t be cooperative even then! L
>
> i think Orcale will GlassFish let die. I asume they are not more
> interested.
>
> I moved to Payara: https://github.com/payara/Payara
>
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