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Re: What is "HTTP Load Balancers" node and what is relation with sun java web server?

From: kedar <Kedar.Mhaswade_at_Sun.COM>
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:58:46 -0700

legolas wood wrote:
> Thank you for your information.
>
>
> When we install Glassfish application on our computer it create one
> default domain named domain1 in domains directory which we deploy our
> application into it. we can create more domains if we want.
>
> Now, If I create a new instance in an this installed application
> server using asadmin> create-instance ...... what is relation of this
> instance with those domain in domains directory?
When you create the instance using create-instance, you are pointing
to a specific domain. A domain is identified by: its host name, admin port,
admin user and admin password. All of this is happening behind the scenes
because everything has a default value.
admin-host: localhost
admin-port: 4848
admin-user and password: taken from a file called .asadminpass in your
home folder,
because you created this domain using --savelogin. The "ant -f
setup.xml" and "ant -f
setup-cluster.xml" automatically save an encoded version of your admin
user name
and admin password :)

>
>
>
> Kedar, in you 5th step you said that:
>
> 5- On "m2", run ant -f setup-cluster.xml on glassfish.jar you
> downloaded .....
>
> When we use setup-cluster.xml to install glassfish, it will create a
> DAS as far as i know.
> So on every machine in the network like m2,m3..... that want to make
> them a domain(cluster) member we will have a DAS but we do not use it
> because we have a DAS on m1?
>
You are right, but that's the DAS's configuration that you create on "m2".
Like I said, currently, there is no way to configure
<install-dir>/bin/all-scripts
<install-dir>/bin/all-config-files like asadminenv.conf

ALONE, using ant -f setup.xml, setup-cluster.xml. Unfortunately,
you HAVE to create the domain. Ask Dinesh, if there is a way to not
create a domain. Dinesh -- do you know?
> If the above is correct, why we should add load of a DAS on every
> machine like m2,m3,m4?
>
Actually, a domain (statically) is nothing but a bunch of files.
See: http://blogs.sun.com/bloggerkedar/entry/concept_of_a_glassfish_domain

So, I don't think it's a load, it is just an unnecessary step that we
can't avoid, AFAIK.


Kedar

>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Peter Fabian wrote:
>> Legolas
>> the picture (although a bit detailed and crowded) at
>> http://wiki.glassfish.java.net/gfwiki/Wiki.jsp?page=GlassFishV2Architecture
>> might help
>> P
>> kedar wrote:
>>> Hi Legolas,
>>>
>>> Let me try to explain:
>>>
>>> Domain Spans machines, usually.
>>> One of the machines is designated as DAS, as Pankaj pointed out
>>> earlier.
>>> The DAS is the admin server and it manages the servers in the same
>>> domain. The servers can be clustered if administrator wants them so.
>>> The administrator has benefits of management when instances are
>>> clustered.
>>>
>>> Now, on the other machine, all you need is "bits".
>>>
>>> Consider the scenario: You have "m1" and "m2" as two machines. Let's
>>> say you want to create a cluster "c1" with instances "s1" and "s2"
>>> with node-agents "na1" on "m1" and "na2" on "m2". Your DAS is on "m1".
>>> Let's call the domain where all this "logically" resides as "domain1".
>>>
>>> You do the following:
>>> 1- Download the glassfish.jar on both "m1" and "m2".
>>> 2- On "m1", run "ant -f setup-cluster.xml". This creates the domain,
>>> domain1 that is capable of handling clusters.
>>> 3- On "m1", you start domain, domain1.
>>> 4- On "m1", <bin>/asadmin create-node-agent na1
>>> 5- On "m2", run ant -f setup-cluster.xml on glassfish.jar you
>>> downloaded
>>> (after of course, java -jar ...) This creates a domain on that
>>> machine
>>> as well, but you don't need it. I will file an RFE in this regard.
>>> 6- On "m2" you create a node-agent *pointing to domain1 on "m1"* as:
>>> <bin>/asadmin create-node-agent --host m1 --user admin-user na2
>>> 7- On "m1", <bin>/asadmin start-node-agent na1
>>> On "m2", <bin>/asadmin start-node-agent na2
>>>
>>> Now, your topology is created and ready to go.
>>> You have a domain domain1, this spans "m1" and "m2".
>>> Node-agent "na1" is on "m1". It will control instances on "m1".
>>> Node-agent "na2" is on "m2". It will control instances on "m2".
>>>
>>> From this point on, forget you had machine "m2". The entire
>>> configuration can be done just from machine "m1".
>>>
>>> This is the beauty of the process, IMO.
>>>
>>> 8- On "m1", just try: <bin>/asadmin create-cluster c1
>>> 9- On "m1", <bin>/asadmin create-instance --cluster c1 --nodeagent
>>> na1 s1
>>> This puts "s1" in cluster "c1". Note that this instance is
>>> controlled by
>>> Node Agent "na1". This instance uses "physical resources" from "m1".
>>>
>>> 10- On "m1", (not "m2"!)
>>> <bin>/asadmin create-instance --cluster c1 --nodeagent na2 s2
>>>
>>> 11- On "m1", <bin>/asadmin start-cluster "c1".
>>>
>>> This is where it culminates.
>>> All you do is "start cluster".
>>> It starts instance "s1" on "m1" and "s2" on "m2".
>>>
>>> The instances have homogeneous configuration.
>>>
>>> Does this help?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Kedar
>>>
>>> Legolas Woodland wrote:
>>>> Thank you for reply.
>>>> just as last question:
>>>>
>>>> As i said i have DAS installed and configuredin my own computer
>>>> i want to install some more glassfish in other computer and add
>>>> them to cluster.
>>>>
>>>> question is:
>>>>
>>>> Should i install glassfish clustered edition on other computers
>>>> that will act as nodes?
>>>> ant -f setup-cluster.xml
>>>>
>>>> Thankss
>>>>
>>>> On 4/17/07, *Pankaj Jairath* <Pankaj.Jairath_at_sun.com
>>>> <mailto:Pankaj.Jairath_at_sun.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Legolas Woodland wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Thank you very much for reply.
>>>> >
>>>> > Right now i think i have setup a cluster and a load balancer
>>>> according
>>>> > to your very good weblog.
>>>> > I have sun java web server 7.u1 and latest blassfish installed.
>>>> > What i want to know is:
>>>> > I have one DAS, And a web server which according to your
>>>> weblog will
>>>> > balance the load between any instance that we add in
>>>> loadbalancer.xml .
>>>> >
>>>> > I have two questions and one problem.
>>>> >
>>>> > problem:
>>>> > I tried several time to create load balancer in glassfish
>>>> application
>>>> > server and then apply it to my web server, but it just return an
>>>> error
>>>> > without any stack trance, error say: Can not connect to server.
>>>> > My web server and glassfish both works on the same machine, so i
>>>> > tried: 127.0.0.1 <http://127.0.0.1> < http://127.0.0.1>,
>>>> localhost and my lan ip address
>>>> > none of them worked.
>>>> > the port that i can access my web server administration
>>>> console is
>>>> > 8989 and i used this port in HTTP Load Balancers node of
>>>> glassfish
>>>> > administration console when i trid to create the load balancer.
>>>>
>>>> The communication between DAS and WS/LB is over SSL and the
>>>> host/port
>>>> needs to be HTTPS listener of the WebServer Instance and not that
>>>> of the
>>>> Admin Server (the Load Balancer is configured to run on the
>>>> WebServer
>>>> instance). Given that you have successfully configured the SSL
>>>> setup
>>>> between the DAS and WS/LB, check with changing the port to the SSL
>>>> port
>>>> of the WebServer 7.0 instance.
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > IS there anything specific to change in order to make it
>>>> possible to
>>>> > apply changes to web server load balancer from glassfish
>>>> console?
>>>> >
>>>> > Now my question:
>>>> >
>>>> > -what kind of glassfish i should setup in some other machines
>>>> to add
>>>> > them to the cluster? can they be normal domains or there are
>>>> some
>>>> > specific ways to create domains to add them to cluster?
>>>> > can you give me the steps?
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> You can create multiple server instances and group them under a
>>>> defined
>>>> cluster configuration. The cluster or the group of clustered
>>>> server
>>>> instances are under a single domain. Domain is the administrative
>>>> reference - the single point / central repository of carrying
>>>> out the
>>>> administrative tasks.
>>>>
>>>> You can refer to the documentation that details the setups to work
>>>> with
>>>> clusters. This is from the /"High Availability Administration
>>>> Guide"/
>>>> under chapter 5 : /"Using Application Server Clusters" /:-
>>>> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-3679/6n5spoggp?a=view
>>>>
>>>> Specifically refer to the topic named - /"Working with Clusters"./
>>>>
>>>> > -I find that we can have several instance in a server? what is
>>>> > relation of domains with instances? why we should have several
>>>> > instance in a domain?
>>>>
>>>> There can be zero or more server instances in a administrative
>>>> domain
>>>> and there can one or more such domains. Each such domain has
>>>> its own
>>>> DAS. DAS is actually the designated administrative server instance
>>>> with
>>>> a default config within a domain.
>>>>
>>>> regards
>>>> Pankaj
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On 4/17/07, *Pankaj Jairath* <Pankaj.Jairath_at_sun.com
>>>> <mailto:Pankaj.Jairath_at_sun.com>
>>>> > <mailto: Pankaj.Jairath_at_sun.com
>>>> <mailto:Pankaj.Jairath_at_sun.com>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Hello Legolas,
>>>> >
>>>> > If I understood your question, you are referring to the UI
>>>> element
>>>> > "HTTP
>>>> > Load Balancers" element of the GlassFish V2 Application
>>>> Server. If so
>>>> > let me give a brief.
>>>> >
>>>> > GlassFish V2 provides the HTTP Load Balancer which can
>>>> then be
>>>> > deployed
>>>> > onto the supported WebServer - for GlassFish V2 it's the Sun
>>>> Java
>>>> > System
>>>> > WebServer 6.1 / 7.0. When defining the High Availability
>>>> deployment
>>>> > topology of a Java EE deployment, administrator would
>>>> define a
>>>> > cluster
>>>> > of application servers instances and install and
>>>> configure the
>>>> > HTTP Load
>>>> > Balancer to take care of load balancing and failover of
>>>> the HTTP
>>>> > requests.
>>>> > To do this administrative configuration steps, the
>>>> end-user can
>>>> > use the
>>>> > Admin Console (GUI) or the CLI commands to define the
>>>> cluster, it's
>>>> > configuration and associate a HTTP Load Balancer with this
>>>> > configuration. This association defines the cluster
>>>> configuration and
>>>> > other Load Balancer configurable parameters, which the
>>>> HTTP Load
>>>> > Balancer uses to perform its HA functionality. The
>>>> administrator
>>>> > can use
>>>> > the Admin Console to generate this HTTP Load Balancer
>>>> > configuration and
>>>> > even push the configuration over the wire to the deployed
>>>> HTTP Load
>>>> > Balancer on a given Sun Java System WebServer.
>>>> >
>>>> > Refer to the documents provided earlier for further details
>>>> on how to
>>>> > use the Domain Administrative Server (DAS) Admin Console
>>>> (GUI) or
>>>> > CLI to
>>>> > administer the HTTP Load Balancer.
>>>> >
>>>> > regards
>>>> > Pankaj
>>>> >
>>>> > legolas wood wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > Hi
>>>> > > Thank you for reading my post.
>>>> > > What is relation of "HTTP Load Balancers" in
>>>> administration
>>>> > console
>>>> > > with using sun java web server as load balancer?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Thanks
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>
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