Jan Luehe wrote:
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>
> vince kraemer wrote On 08/09/06 16:56,:
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>> Jan Luehe wrote:
>>
>>> Vince,
>>>
>>> vince kraemer wrote On 08/09/06 16:04,:
>>>
>>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>> Those changes were made in response to
>>>> https://glassfish.dev.java.net/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=544, right?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Correct.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> That issue implies that developers want to be able to read the
>>>> access log while doing development. (At least it does to me).
>>>>
>>>> If the access logging is turned off (by default), should we revert
>>>> the changes made to address 544, so the cost to someone going into
>>>> production is lower "out-of-the-box"?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not sure that would be the right thing to do, because anybody
>>> turning access
>>> logging on would expect immediate updates. If we reverted the change
>>> you're referring
>>> to, we would again disappoint developers' expecations about
>>> immediate updates
>>> once access logging has been turned on.
>>
>>
>> But haven't we already disappointed developers by having the access
>> log turned off by default?...
>
>
> I think regardless of whether access logging is on or off by default,
> once it is
> on (either by default or by configuration), developers expect
> immediate updates.
>
> I think we need to do a survey of how useful access logging is during
> development,
> and how much of a performance penalty people are willing to pay for it.
>
> Tomcat disables it by default, and nobody has ever complained about it.
>
There's a reason for that. The important log file during development is
the system log, not the access log ... so you can see exception messages
and the like. That's also why tools like NetBeans and Creator give you
direct access to the system log, but not to the access log.
I'd vote for access log disabled by default. But also, given the theory
that the only time you'd want the access log enabled is a production
environment where performance is important, I'd also vote for
configuring the default enabled behavior to maximize performance.
Craig McClanahan
>
> Jan
>
>>>
>>> Jan
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> vbk
>>>
>>
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