Hi Judy
On 24 June 2010 09:52, Judy Tang <judy.j.tang_at_oracle.com> wrote:
> Thanks Richard for the FishCAT planning, also thanks Kristian and Vladimir
> for giving valuable input. If we can
> find a way to recruit more cats like three of you, that is the winning way
> :-)
>
> I found three common things make a good cat. (1) He is using GF in his
> work, good quality matters to him. (2) He has
> passion for community work. (3) He enjoys the fun of meeting/helping other
> cats. Any thing else you can think off?
>
> The way Richard proposed belongs to (3). The way Vladimir proposed I think
> belongs to (1), it is about earn points
> and use points to improve quality in the area most interest to his work,
> like he can use the points to vote for what bugs
> to get fixed first some thing like that. It is a really good thinking, but
> it can be hard to do since it has a bigger scope.
> It is good to bring up for discussion to get more input I feel. Thanks
> Vladimir!
>
> Like to see more input from every one:
> - what motivate people to join FishCAT
> - how and where to recruit more cats :-)
>
What do you think about a survey like you did before ?
We can then pose questions to the existing and potential FishCATs.
Suggesting this is the easy part, finding questions to ask and will make
sense in the end is the hard :)
Questions derived from you :
1) Do you use GlassFish in your work ?
2) Does quality matter to you ?
Maybe :
1) What motivates or could motivate you to operate in FishCAT ? (Interaction
with GlassFish developers, Interaction with peers, able to request features)
regards
Richard
>
> Thanks,
> Judy
>
>
> Vladimir Perlov wrote:
>
> Hi Richard,
> Let me add a couple cents to the discussion.
> In my opinion FishCat points don't provide any serious level of motivation.
> I would say this kind of motivation could works only in kindergarten :)
> To create the real leverage we need to establish some kind of virtual
> currency instead of useless points.
> Probably you know about "dukes" that people could earn on Sun's forums or
> "votes" that could be used for voting project's features.
> "Dukes", "votes" and "points" never really work in practice that for sure.
> To make it works you should radically change the current approach.
> The fist principle of any currency is providing buying power.
> Current buying power for points is only cat's title but that almost
> nothing. Without some kind of privileges that holder of the title should be
> able to use, title will provide very little incentive.
> In case you understand my point of view we could continue the related
> discussion on more detail level.
>
> In the past I had a brief discussion with Judy regarding this topic and
> she was supportive on this. But that time Oracle was taking over Sun
> Microsystem and it wasn't very appropriate time to go further with it.
> Now I see again some understanding that people need to be motivated to do
> some testing so I'm bringing it up.
>
> Best regards,
> Vladimir
>
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 13:14:26 +0200
> From: rjdkolb_at_dev.java.net
> To: quality_at_glassfish.dev.java.net
> CC: mriem_at_manorrock.org
> Subject: Re: Request for comments : FishCAT, the way forward
>
> Hi Kristian
>
> On 23 June 2010 11:54, Kristian Rink <rink_at_planconnect.de> wrote:
>
> first off, thanks a bunch for your work, nice seeing FC is gaining
> speed again. :)
>
>
> :-) My pleasure
>
>
> Am Wed, 23 Jun 2010 11:33:39 +0200
> schrieb Richard Kolb <rjdkolb_at_dev.java.net>:
> > Here are some ideas. Comments and questions would be greatly
> > welcomed! :) It's is still in the early stages of being defined, so
> > please feel free to suggest anything; after all, it is your process.
>
> Though eventually beyond the scope of FishCAT, I would generally propose
> the idea of making "contributing publicity efforts" somehow a part
> worth (a small amount of?) FishCAT points. Let's motivate people to get
> out and tell the world about what happens in GlassFish developemt,
> about which features they eventually tested, which things are likely to
> come up in the next version... Maybe this could both recruit more
> people to be GlassFish testers _and_ GlassFish users/contributors. ;)
>
>
> This is a great idea Kristian. There is some info on the Wiki, but maybe we
> can make it more clear.
> Perhaps you would like to help with this ? It is a community process after
> all.
>
> There are some links on the page I sent, but maybe it can be polished up to
> attract the Cats ?
>
> We will of course be positively testing (make sure it works) and negatively
> testing (try to break it) all the 3.1 features quite soon, so we will need
> this information.
>
>
>
> That aside however: What is the "official" status of FishCAT related to
> GlassFish being a project now mainly driven forth by Oracle?
>
>
> Well, that is the great thing. The initial call for people in the community
> was done from Oracle.
> Judy has taken the role as test lead for Oracle WebLogic, but we still have
> her support and help if need be.
>
> regards
> Richard.
>
>
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