Hi Richard,
Yes, we can do that. We can include it in the FishCAT application form.
Thanks,
Judy
Richard Kolb wrote:
> Hi Judy
>
> On 24 June 2010 09:52, Judy Tang <judy.j.tang_at_oracle.com
> <mailto:judy.j.tang_at_oracle.com>> wrote:
>
> Thanks Richard for the FishCAT planning, also thanks Kristian and
> Vladimir for giving valuable input. If we can
> find a way to recruit more cats like three of you, that is the
> winning way :-)
>
> I found three common things make a good cat. (1) He is using GF
> in his work, good quality matters to him. (2) He has
> passion for community work. (3) He enjoys the fun of
> meeting/helping other cats. Any thing else you can think off?
>
> The way Richard proposed belongs to (3). The way Vladimir
> proposed I think belongs to (1), it is about earn points
> and use points to improve quality in the area most interest to his
> work, like he can use the points to vote for what bugs
> to get fixed first some thing like that. It is a really good
> thinking, but it can be hard to do since it has a bigger scope.
> It is good to bring up for discussion to get more input I feel.
> Thanks Vladimir!
>
> Like to see more input from every one:
> - what motivate people to join FishCAT
> - how and where to recruit more cats :-)
>
>
> What do you think about a survey like you did before ?
>
> We can then pose questions to the existing and potential FishCATs.
>
> Suggesting this is the easy part, finding questions to ask and will
> make sense in the end is the hard :)
>
> Questions derived from you :
> 1) Do you use GlassFish in your work ?
> 2) Does quality matter to you ?
>
> Maybe :
> 1) What motivates or could motivate you to operate in FishCAT ?
> (Interaction with GlassFish developers, Interaction with peers, able
> to request features)
>
>
>
>
> regards
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Judy
>
>
> Vladimir Perlov wrote:
>> Hi Richard,
>> Let me add a couple cents to the discussion.
>> In my opinion FishCat points don't provide any serious level of
>> motivation.
>> I would say this kind of motivation could works only
>> in kindergarten :)
>> To create the real leverage we need to establish some kind of
>> virtual currency instead of useless points.
>> Probably you know about "dukes" that people could earn on Sun's
>> forums or "votes" that could be used for voting project's features.
>> "Dukes", "votes" and "points" never really work in practice that
>> for sure.
>> To make it works you should radically change the current approach.
>> The fist principle of any currency is providing buying power.
>> Current buying power for points is only cat's title but that
>> almost nothing. Without some kind of privileges that holder of
>> the title should be able to use, title will provide very little
>> incentive.
>> In case you understand my point of view we could continue the
>> related discussion on more detail level.
>>
>> In the past I had a brief discussion with Judy regarding this
>> topic and she was supportive on this. But that time Oracle was
>> taking over Sun Microsystem and it wasn't very appropriate time
>> to go further with it.
>> Now I see again some understanding that people need to be
>> motivated to do some testing so I'm bringing it up.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Vladimir
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 13:14:26 +0200
>> From: rjdkolb_at_dev.java.net <mailto:rjdkolb_at_dev.java.net>
>> To: quality_at_glassfish.dev.java.net
>> <mailto:quality_at_glassfish.dev.java.net>
>> CC: mriem_at_manorrock.org <mailto:mriem_at_manorrock.org>
>> Subject: Re: Request for comments : FishCAT, the way forward
>>
>> Hi Kristian
>>
>> On 23 June 2010 11:54, Kristian Rink <rink_at_planconnect.de
>> <mailto:rink_at_planconnect.de>> wrote:
>>
>> first off, thanks a bunch for your work, nice seeing FC is
>> gaining
>> speed again. :)
>>
>>
>> :-) My pleasure
>>
>>
>> Am Wed, 23 Jun 2010 11:33:39 +0200
>> schrieb Richard Kolb <rjdkolb_at_dev.java.net
>> <mailto:rjdkolb_at_dev.java.net>>:
>> > Here are some ideas. Comments and questions would be greatly
>> > welcomed! :) It's is still in the early stages of being
>> defined, so
>> > please feel free to suggest anything; after all, it is your
>> process.
>>
>> Though eventually beyond the scope of FishCAT, I would
>> generally propose
>> the idea of making "contributing publicity efforts" somehow a
>> part
>> worth (a small amount of?) FishCAT points. Let's motivate
>> people to get
>> out and tell the world about what happens in GlassFish
>> developemt,
>> about which features they eventually tested, which things are
>> likely to
>> come up in the next version... Maybe this could both recruit more
>> people to be GlassFish testers _and_ GlassFish
>> users/contributors. ;)
>>
>>
>> This is a great idea Kristian. There is some info on the Wiki,
>> but maybe we can make it more clear.
>> Perhaps you would like to help with this ? It is a community
>> process after all.
>>
>> There are some links on the page I sent, but maybe it can be
>> polished up to attract the Cats ?
>>
>> We will of course be positively testing (make sure it works) and
>> negatively testing (try to break it) all the 3.1 features quite
>> soon, so we will need this information.
>>
>>
>>
>> That aside however: What is the "official" status of FishCAT
>> related to
>> GlassFish being a project now mainly driven forth by Oracle?
>>
>>
>> Well, that is the great thing. The initial call for people in the
>> community was done from Oracle.
>> Judy has taken the role as test lead for Oracle WebLogic, but we
>> still have her support and help if need be.
>>
>> regards
>> Richard.
>>
>>
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