Hi Eduardo,
Just a couple of comments.
A vote of +0 or -0 should actually be counted as a vote. +0 means I
don't know or care enough about the issue but I'm happy with the
proposal. -0 means I know about the issue and I'm not convinced it's
a good proposal but don't have the energy to actively oppose it. The
absence of a vote should not be counted as a 0.
In my experience, tallying votes with annotations [not legally
allowed to vote] or similar language discourages community building.
It's good that the processes be well understood so we know at the end
of the vote whether it passed or not, but calling out voters doesn't
have the effect we typically want in the community.
It would be good to consider formalizing the governance process for
the benefit of other projects.
Regards,
Craig
On Nov 14, 2006, at 11:36 AM, Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart wrote:
> Thanks, Tom.
>
> I see a few more came in. Here is my tally:
>
> rochelle +1
> Jielin +1
> tom +1
> [Peter K +1 -- but he is not a committer, right?]
> guy +1
> chris +1
> andrei +1
> gordon +1
> Markus +1
> marina +1
> [Craig R +1 -- but he is not a committer, right?]
> Michael +1
>
> that is 10 +1, two known 0 (vacation & new to project), 0 -1.
>
> I think that Mitesh and Sahoo have not voted, right? They are in
> india TZ, so I think it would be appropriate to give them a chance
> to vote overnight.
>
> We still need to decide what "-1" means :-), but so far, it seems
> we can decide that separatedly.
>
> - eduard/o
>
>
> Tom Ware wrote:
>> Of the 14 current committers, I have recieved 9 votes in support,
>> and 0 votes against. Of the non-voters, 1 is on vacation and 1 is
>> new to the project and I would not expect to see votes from either
>> of them.
>> I believe that is adequate support to move forward.
>> -Tom
>> Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart wrote:
>>> I have listed all the committers at the TopLink Essentials page.
>>> See:
>>>
>>> https://glassfish.dev.java.net/javaee5/persistence/
>>> index.html#committers
>>>
>>> Based on this proposed protocol, Tom is responsible to report
>>> back on everybody's vote. Votes are not private. We will
>>> discuss, separatedly and in a public forum, how the GlassFish
>>> community should handle arguing the merits of a given candidate,
>>> but I am fairly confident that we will not have that problem in
>>> the case of Wonseok and we don't want to impede progress while we
>>> figure out the process.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> - eduard/o
>>>
>>> Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart wrote:
>>>
>>>> OK, since we are doing this for the first time, I propose this
>>>> (strawman) protocol:
>>>>
>>>> * An existing committer (the 'advocate' - better name?) proposes
>>>> a new committer (the 'candidate')
>>>> * All other committers should consider whether the new candidate
>>>> has shown technical & team abilities needed to be granted commit
>>>> status
>>>> * Committers should vote.
>>>> * Advocate tallies the votes and reports back to the DEV alias.
>>>>
>>>> We will need to figure out how many +1 vs -1, etc, etc. But I
>>>> suspect this is not going to be an issue for Wonseok.
>>>>
>>>> The process should be consistent across all GlassFish projects,
>>>> so I'll put together a better fleshed strawman and will run it
>>>> by people. Sometime after the flurry of this next Monday
>>>> (tomorrow) :-)
>>>>
>>>> - eduard/o
>>>>
>>>> Tom Ware wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I propose we grant commit access for the entity-persistence
>>>>> module to Wonseok Kim.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wonseok, has been contributing high quality code on a regular
>>>>> basis to the project and also been providing valuable feedback
>>>>> to other particpants. The quality and quantity of work he has
>>>>> been providing indicates to me commit access should be granted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please reply either to the persistence list or directly to me
>>>>> by the end of day on Monday (November 13) I will consider non-
>>>>> response to indicate support.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Tom Ware
>>>>>
>>>>>
Craig Russell
Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System
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