[jax-rs-spec users] [jsr339-experts] Re: Re: Re: MVC

From: Sergey Beryozkin <>
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 16:17:01 +0100

On 03/06/14 15:49, Santiago Pericas-Geertsen wrote:
> On Jun 3, 2014, at 10:13 AM, Sergey Beryozkin <
> <>> wrote:
>> Hi Bill,
>> On 03/06/14 14:26, Bill Burke wrote:
>>> On 6/3/2014 9:09 AM, Sergey Beryozkin wrote:
>>>> Are you misunderstanding the purpose of this possible effort by any
>>>> chance ?
>>> That is highly possible! I just saw MVC, thought struts/jsf, and
>>> freaked :)
>> Yes, I was also confused by Santiago referring to JSF, but I guess it
>> will probably act as an optional EE mechanism for accepting the
>> redirects coming from JAX-RS, this is how I've read Santiago
>> clarifying it in the follow-up email.
> JSF has a number of different parts, not all of which are applicable
> to an MVC framework. Some, such as the Facelets templating language,
> could be plugged into a JAX-RS based MVC framework --in the same way
> JSPs and other templating languages are used today in Jersey for
> example. At its core, this is just a convenient mechanism to provide
> better text/html representations for resources (Note that I'm not
> suggesting that this is the only part of JSF that would be relevant, it
> is just an obvious one).

So it is JAX-RS based MVC after all, Bill got it right, I misunderstood.
Hmm... I thought all we wanted was to make a transparent forward support
done and let dealing with the actual templates out of scope to support
the case of integrating with the existing view servers.

JAX-RS based MVC does seem like a bigger effort indeed

> As far as to why MVC? The world domination of "thick clients"
> (Angular, etc.) is a bit overblown. Yes, these technologies are great
> and will continue to evolve in the next few years. However, (i)
> historically, there has not been a single technology dominating the UI
> space and (ii) these paradigm shifts do not happen overnight.
> We have not arrived to the decision of supporting MVC without a
> careful consideration of (i) community feedback and (ii) research data.
> MVC (and Spring MVC in particular) is the most popular Java UI
> technology by a good margin:
> And this is just an example, there are many other reports like that.
> Will the Angular's of the world continue to grow? Likely, but that does
> not make all existing server-based technologies irrelevant overnight.
> Having said this, I understand some of the concerns that have been
> brought up (by Markus and others) in relation to possibly having a core
> JAX-RS spec separate from other related specs for technologies like MVC.
> We are currently evaluating this possibility.
> -- Santiago