The phrase "cloud" is to the "internet", kind of like the phrase "open
source" is to "free software".
It is a new phrase that sells better than the older phrase.
On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 5:01 PM, arjan tijms <arjan.tijms_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
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> The question is also, what exactly *is* the cloud? To many it's just an
> other term for The Internet. For yet others it's a (virtual) server running
> at some hosting provider, and for again others it's "basically a hosting
> provider", but a very big one and active in many regions.
>
> But frankly, Java EE has been running in that environment for like
> forever. We've been running a Dutch application called m4n.nl on a Dutch
> hosting provider in 2001, and we're currently running zeef.com on a
> hosting provider that calls itself "cloud" (namely, Google ;)), and both in
> 2001 and 2016 it's a regular Java EE server.
>
> There are some things that make more sense when you have limited access to
> the installed application server, like the ability to provision all
> resources like data sources and security identity stores etc from within
> the archive, but even though Google calls its hosting "cloud" we can still
> just install JBoss there and access it like we could do on our very own
> server located in-house.
>
> But it all depends on how you define the term "cloud", and that is, at
> best, cloudy ;)
>
> Kind regards,
> Arjan Tijms
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> On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Michael Müller <michael.mueller_at_mueller-
> bruehl.de> wrote:
>
>> Hm, is any movement the right movement?
>>
>> It sounds a bit like "whatever Java EE is, we want to do something
>> different in the cloud".
>>
>> But really, who needs the cloud? Ok, there are some, but don't forget the
>> many requirements without any cloud.
>>
>>
>> So, when Oracle seems to stop Java EE as we love it, then let's release
>> JSF 2.3 soon, without waiting for J EE 8.
>>
>>
>>
>> Herzliche Grüße - Best Regards,
>>
>> Michael Müller
>> Brühl, Germany
>> blog.mueller-bruehl.de
>> it-rezension.de
>> @muellermi
>>
>>
>> Read my books
>> "Web Development with Java and JSF": https://leanpub.com/jsf
>> "Java Lambdas und (parallel) Streams" Deutsche Ausgabe:
>> https://leanpub.com/lambdas-de
>> "Java Lambdas and (parallel) Streams" English edition:
>> https://leanpub.com/lambdas
>>
>> On 08/23/2016 02:59 PM, Josh Juneau wrote:
>>
>> It is great to see some movement.
>>
>> Josh Juneau
>> juneau001_at_gmail.com
>> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
>> https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 5:35 AM, Kito Mann <kito.mann_at_virtua.com> wrote:
>>
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>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Bill Shannon <bill.shannon_at_oracle.com>
>>> Date: Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 8:05 PM
>>> Subject: [javaee-spec users] [jsr366-experts] update to Java EE 8 plan
>>> To: jsr366-experts_at_javaee-spec.java.net
>>>
>>>
>>> As many of you have read in the press [1], Oracle is reevaluating the
>>> scope and plans for Java EE 8. Based on the changes we've seen in the
>>> industry in recent years, we believe we need to do more to Java EE to
>>> make it better suited for developing the next generation of cloud
>>> and microservices applications.
>>>
>>> The current generation of enterprise Java applications is already well
>>> supported by Java EE 7 in cloud services provided by Oracle and
>>> others. As Anil Gaur said in his recent presentation to the JCP EC [2]:
>>>
>>> We would like the future of Java EE to be viable to next generation
>>> of applications. These apps are composed and deployed differently
>>> in cloud and require flexibility, reliability and scale. The
>>> platform needs a new programming model that's geared towards
>>> reactive style programming for building large-scale distributed
>>> applications that are loosely coupled. In addition, we would like
>>> to see HTTP/2, Config, State management, Eventual Consistency,
>>> Multi-tenancy, O-Auth and OpenID Connect get included in the
>>> platform.
>>>
>>> It is critical that Java EE reflect the needs of the community. We are
>>> preparing another community survey, similar to the survey we did in
>>> 2014 [3], to assess whether the community shares our views about
>>> what's needed in Java EE. We expect this survey to be available in
>>> the next few weeks. We'll also be looking at the results of other
>>> surveys and community input, and will be continuing our discussions
>>> with Java EE licensees. At JavaOne we'll be presenting our proposals
>>> for updates to Java EE and gathering feedback from attendees.
>>>
>>> After considering the results of our survey and other feedback, we'll
>>> adjust the plans for Java EE 8, with a goal of delivering Java EE 8
>>> within a year. Much of the initially planned work is nearly complete
>>> or well on its way, but new work will need to be done more quickly than
>>> usual. Obviously all desired work will not be able to be done in Java
>>> EE 8 and some planned work may no longer be important.
>>>
>>> This short schedule for Java EE 8 will allow us to move quickly into
>>> planning for Java EE 9, which will be able to take advantage of the
>>> Java SE 9 Jigsaw module system, and will give us more time for some of
>>> the larger improvements to the Java EE programming model.
>>>
>>> Stay tuned for more information about our community survey, and join us
>>> at JavaOne to hear more about our proposals for Java EE.
>>>
>>> Your opinion is valuable to us and we look forward to collaborating with
>>> you.
>>>
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> http://www.infoworld.com/article/3098007/java/oracle-to-rebo
>>> ot-java-ee-for-the-cloud.html
>>> [2]
>>> https://jcp.org/aboutJava/communityprocess/ec-public/materia
>>> ls/2016-08-09/August-2016-Public-Minutes.html
>>> [3] https://blogs.oracle.com/ldemichiel/
>>>
>>>
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