Hi,
The question is also, what exactly *is* the cloud? To many it's just an
other term for The Internet. For yet others it's a (virtual) server running
at some hosting provider, and for again others it's "basically a hosting
provider", but a very big one and active in many regions.
But frankly, Java EE has been running in that environment for like forever.
We've been running a Dutch application called m4n.nl on a Dutch hosting
provider in 2001, and we're currently running zeef.com on a hosting
provider that calls itself "cloud" (namely, Google ;)), and both in 2001
and 2016 it's a regular Java EE server.
There are some things that make more sense when you have limited access to
the installed application server, like the ability to provision all
resources like data sources and security identity stores etc from within
the archive, but even though Google calls its hosting "cloud" we can still
just install JBoss there and access it like we could do on our very own
server located in-house.
But it all depends on how you define the term "cloud", and that is, at
best, cloudy ;)
Kind regards,
Arjan Tijms
On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Michael Müller <
michael.mueller_at_mueller-bruehl.de> wrote:
> Hm, is any movement the right movement?
>
> It sounds a bit like "whatever Java EE is, we want to do something
> different in the cloud".
>
> But really, who needs the cloud? Ok, there are some, but don't forget the
> many requirements without any cloud.
>
>
> So, when Oracle seems to stop Java EE as we love it, then let's release
> JSF 2.3 soon, without waiting for J EE 8.
>
>
>
> Herzliche Grüße - Best Regards,
>
> Michael Müller
> Brühl, Germany
> blog.mueller-bruehl.de
> it-rezension.de
> @muellermi
>
>
> Read my books
> "Web Development with Java and JSF": https://leanpub.com/jsf
> "Java Lambdas und (parallel) Streams" Deutsche Ausgabe:
> https://leanpub.com/lambdas-de
> "Java Lambdas and (parallel) Streams" English edition:
> https://leanpub.com/lambdas
>
> On 08/23/2016 02:59 PM, Josh Juneau wrote:
>
> It is great to see some movement.
>
> Josh Juneau
> juneau001_at_gmail.com
> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
> https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 5:35 AM, Kito Mann <kito.mann_at_virtua.com> wrote:
>
>> FYI....
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Bill Shannon <bill.shannon_at_oracle.com>
>> Date: Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 8:05 PM
>> Subject: [javaee-spec users] [jsr366-experts] update to Java EE 8 plan
>> To: jsr366-experts_at_javaee-spec.java.net
>>
>>
>> As many of you have read in the press [1], Oracle is reevaluating the
>> scope and plans for Java EE 8. Based on the changes we've seen in the
>> industry in recent years, we believe we need to do more to Java EE to
>> make it better suited for developing the next generation of cloud
>> and microservices applications.
>>
>> The current generation of enterprise Java applications is already well
>> supported by Java EE 7 in cloud services provided by Oracle and
>> others. As Anil Gaur said in his recent presentation to the JCP EC [2]:
>>
>> We would like the future of Java EE to be viable to next generation
>> of applications. These apps are composed and deployed differently
>> in cloud and require flexibility, reliability and scale. The
>> platform needs a new programming model that's geared towards
>> reactive style programming for building large-scale distributed
>> applications that are loosely coupled. In addition, we would like
>> to see HTTP/2, Config, State management, Eventual Consistency,
>> Multi-tenancy, O-Auth and OpenID Connect get included in the
>> platform.
>>
>> It is critical that Java EE reflect the needs of the community. We are
>> preparing another community survey, similar to the survey we did in
>> 2014 [3], to assess whether the community shares our views about
>> what's needed in Java EE. We expect this survey to be available in
>> the next few weeks. We'll also be looking at the results of other
>> surveys and community input, and will be continuing our discussions
>> with Java EE licensees. At JavaOne we'll be presenting our proposals
>> for updates to Java EE and gathering feedback from attendees.
>>
>> After considering the results of our survey and other feedback, we'll
>> adjust the plans for Java EE 8, with a goal of delivering Java EE 8
>> within a year. Much of the initially planned work is nearly complete
>> or well on its way, but new work will need to be done more quickly than
>> usual. Obviously all desired work will not be able to be done in Java
>> EE 8 and some planned work may no longer be important.
>>
>> This short schedule for Java EE 8 will allow us to move quickly into
>> planning for Java EE 9, which will be able to take advantage of the
>> Java SE 9 Jigsaw module system, and will give us more time for some of
>> the larger improvements to the Java EE programming model.
>>
>> Stay tuned for more information about our community survey, and join us
>> at JavaOne to hear more about our proposals for Java EE.
>>
>> Your opinion is valuable to us and we look forward to collaborating with
>> you.
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> http://www.infoworld.com/article/3098007/java/oracle-to-rebo
>> ot-java-ee-for-the-cloud.html
>> [2]
>> https://jcp.org/aboutJava/communityprocess/ec-public/materia
>> ls/2016-08-09/August-2016-Public-Minutes.html
>> [3] https://blogs.oracle.com/ldemichiel/
>>
>>
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