Sure. I just wanted to write a provoking thesis ;-)
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On 08/24/2016 11:01 PM, arjan tijms wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The question is also, what exactly *is* the cloud? To many it's just
> an other term for The Internet. For yet others it's a (virtual) server
> running at some hosting provider, and for again others it's "basically
> a hosting provider", but a very big one and active in many regions.
>
> But frankly, Java EE has been running in that environment for like
> forever. We've been running a Dutch application called m4n.nl
> <http://m4n.nl> on a Dutch hosting provider in 2001, and we're
> currently running zeef.com <http://zeef.com> on a hosting provider
> that calls itself "cloud" (namely, Google ;)), and both in 2001 and
> 2016 it's a regular Java EE server.
>
> There are some things that make more sense when you have limited
> access to the installed application server, like the ability to
> provision all resources like data sources and security identity stores
> etc from within the archive, but even though Google calls its hosting
> "cloud" we can still just install JBoss there and access it like we
> could do on our very own server located in-house.
>
> But it all depends on how you define the term "cloud", and that is, at
> best, cloudy ;)
>
> Kind regards,
> Arjan Tijms
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Michael Müller
> <michael.mueller_at_mueller-bruehl.de
> <mailto:michael.mueller_at_mueller-bruehl.de>> wrote:
>
> Hm, is any movement the right movement?
>
> It sounds a bit like "whatever Java EE is, we want to do something
> different in the cloud".
>
> But really, who needs the cloud? Ok, there are some, but don't
> forget the many requirements without any cloud.
>
>
> So, when Oracle seems to stop Java EE as we love it, then let's
> release JSF 2.3 soon, without waiting for J EE 8.
>
>
>
> Herzliche Grüße - Best Regards,
>
> Michael Müller
> Brühl, Germany
> blog.mueller-bruehl.de <http://blog.mueller-bruehl.de/>
> it-rezension.de <http://it-rezension.de/>
> @muellermi
>
>
> Read my books
> "Web Development with Java and JSF": https://leanpub.com/jsf
> "Java Lambdas und (parallel) Streams" Deutsche Ausgabe:
> https://leanpub.com/lambdas-de
> "Java Lambdas and (parallel) Streams" English edition:
> https://leanpub.com/lambdas
>
> On 08/23/2016 02:59 PM, Josh Juneau wrote:
>> It is great to see some movement.
>>
>> Josh Juneau
>> juneau001_at_gmail.com <mailto:juneau001_at_gmail.com>
>> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
>> https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
>> <https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 5:35 AM, Kito Mann <kito.mann_at_virtua.com
>> <mailto:kito.mann_at_virtua.com>> wrote:
>>
>> FYI....
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>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: *Bill Shannon* <bill.shannon_at_oracle.com
>> <mailto:bill.shannon_at_oracle.com>>
>> Date: Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 8:05 PM
>> Subject: [javaee-spec users] [jsr366-experts] update to Java
>> EE 8 plan
>> To: jsr366-experts_at_javaee-spec.java.net
>> <mailto:jsr366-experts_at_javaee-spec.java.net>
>>
>>
>> As many of you have read in the press [1], Oracle is
>> reevaluating the
>> scope and plans for Java EE 8. Based on the changes we've
>> seen in the
>> industry in recent years, we believe we need to do more to
>> Java EE to
>> make it better suited for developing the next generation of cloud
>> and microservices applications.
>>
>> The current generation of enterprise Java applications is
>> already well
>> supported by Java EE 7 in cloud services provided by Oracle and
>> others. As Anil Gaur said in his recent presentation to the
>> JCP EC [2]:
>>
>> We would like the future of Java EE to be viable to next
>> generation
>> of applications. These apps are composed and deployed
>> differently
>> in cloud and require flexibility, reliability and scale. The
>> platform needs a new programming model that's geared towards
>> reactive style programming for building large-scale
>> distributed
>> applications that are loosely coupled. In addition, we
>> would like
>> to see HTTP/2, Config, State management, Eventual
>> Consistency,
>> Multi-tenancy, O-Auth and OpenID Connect get included in the
>> platform.
>>
>> It is critical that Java EE reflect the needs of the
>> community. We are
>> preparing another community survey, similar to the survey we
>> did in
>> 2014 [3], to assess whether the community shares our views about
>> what's needed in Java EE. We expect this survey to be
>> available in
>> the next few weeks. We'll also be looking at the results of
>> other
>> surveys and community input, and will be continuing our
>> discussions
>> with Java EE licensees. At JavaOne we'll be presenting our
>> proposals
>> for updates to Java EE and gathering feedback from attendees.
>>
>> After considering the results of our survey and other
>> feedback, we'll
>> adjust the plans for Java EE 8, with a goal of delivering
>> Java EE 8
>> within a year. Much of the initially planned work is nearly
>> complete
>> or well on its way, but new work will need to be done more
>> quickly than
>> usual. Obviously all desired work will not be able to be
>> done in Java
>> EE 8 and some planned work may no longer be important.
>>
>> This short schedule for Java EE 8 will allow us to move
>> quickly into
>> planning for Java EE 9, which will be able to take advantage
>> of the
>> Java SE 9 Jigsaw module system, and will give us more time
>> for some of
>> the larger improvements to the Java EE programming model.
>>
>> Stay tuned for more information about our community survey,
>> and join us
>> at JavaOne to hear more about our proposals for Java EE.
>>
>> Your opinion is valuable to us and we look forward to
>> collaborating with you.
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> http://www.infoworld.com/article/3098007/java/oracle-to-reboot-java-ee-for-the-cloud.html
>> <http://www.infoworld.com/article/3098007/java/oracle-to-reboot-java-ee-for-the-cloud.html>
>> [2]
>> https://jcp.org/aboutJava/communityprocess/ec-public/materials/2016-08-09/August-2016-Public-Minutes.html
>> <https://jcp.org/aboutJava/communityprocess/ec-public/materials/2016-08-09/August-2016-Public-Minutes.html>
>> [3] https://blogs.oracle.com/ldemichiel/
>> <https://blogs.oracle.com/ldemichiel/>
>>
>>
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