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[jsr372-experts] Re: [jsr372-experts mirror] Re: Re: Some concerns about EG activity

From: Kito Mann <kito.mann_at_virtua.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 22:42:27 -0500

It looks like we could create a private channel for an EG meeting:
https://slack.com/is.

I say let's go with Slack since it's hip. Good PR.

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On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 7:45 AM, arjan tijms <arjan.tijms_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> As said I'm okay with either of the options, but that said I do wonder
> whether a channel where potentially a lot of other people are discussing a
> random amount of other things is the most ideal way to have a scheduled EG
> chat.
>
> At least, I think the ##jsf channel can not be set to read-only for non-EG
> members for the duration of the EG chat, can it?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Cagatay Civici <cagatay.civici_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> We use slack at work and quite happy with it.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Cagatay Civici
>> PrimeFaces Lead
>> PrimeTek Informatics
>> <http://www.primefaces.org>www.primefaces.org
>> On Jan 19, 2016, at 14:09, Josh Juneau <juneau001_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Is the IRC channel simply the ##jsf channel on irc.freenode.net? I
>>> used to use this years ago, but haven't anytime recently.
>>>
>>> Josh Juneau
>>> juneau001_at_gmail.com
>>> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
>>> https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 4:33 AM, Bauke Scholtz <balusc_at_gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> IRC is kind of 1990 and Slack is kind of 2015 ;)
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, B
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Frank Caputo <frank_at_frankcaputo.de>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> we have the IRC channel. I have no idea, how a new tool will help. It
>>>>> would be a great first step, if every EG member would join the IRC channel.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ciao Frank
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 18.01.2016 um 16:19 schrieb Kito Mann < kito.mann_at_virtua.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> I vote for public, unless there's a sensitive topic (which usually
>>>>> only happens with security).
>>>>>
>>>>> ___
>>>>>
>>>>> Kito D. Mann | @kito99 | Author, JSF in Action
>>>>> Web Components, Polymer, JSF, PrimeFaces, Java EE, and Liferay
>>>>> training and consulting
>>>>> Virtua, Inc. | virtua.tech
>>>>> JSFCentral.com <http://jsfcentral.com/> | @jsfcentral
>>>>> +1 203-998-0403
>>>>>
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>>>>> <http://blogs.jsfcentral.com/JSFNewscast/>enterprisejavanews.com
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 1:18 PM, arjan tijms <arjan.tijms_at_gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm okay with either Slack or IRC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do we want the channel to be directly public, or do we post the chat
>>>>>> log afterwards?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Josh Juneau <juneau001_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1 to a Slack channel and meetings more often.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Josh Juneau
>>>>>>> juneau001_at_gmail.com
>>>>>>> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
>>>>>>> https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 8:42 AM, Kito Mann <kito.mann_at_virtua.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry I'm so late to the party, but I think it's safe to say the EG
>>>>>>>> has overall been pretty quiet. Honestly, I think it's because no one has a
>>>>>>>> lot of time available, including the spec leads. That being said, we've got
>>>>>>>> to continue to move forward, and I'm glad that Arjan and Bauke have been
>>>>>>>> pushing so hard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Has anyone thought about creating a Slack channel instead of IRC?
>>>>>>>> I'm fine with IRC, but Slack is hipper these days so we might get some more
>>>>>>>> interest. Either, way, some sort of bi-weekly meeting is an excellent idea.
>>>>>>>> My guess is sometime early in the morning (PT) would work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ed and Manfred, it would help if you could remind us what
>>>>>>>> everyone's assignments are; I don't think everything is in JIRA (please
>>>>>>>> correct me if I'm wrong). I know I have an issue related to synchronizing
>>>>>>>> tokens on my plate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ___
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kito D. Mann | @kito99 | Author, JSF in Action
>>>>>>>> Web Components, Polymer, JSF, PrimeFaces, Java EE, and Liferay
>>>>>>>> training and consulting
>>>>>>>> Virtua, Inc. | virtua.tech
>>>>>>>> JSFCentral.com <http://jsfcentral.com/> | @jsfcentral
>>>>>>>> +1 203-998-0403
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * Listen to the Enterprise Java Newscast: *http://
>>>>>>>> <http://blogs.jsfcentral.com/JSFNewscast/>enterprisejavanews.com
>>>>>>>> <http://ww.enterprisejavanews.com/>*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 9:53 AM, arjan tijms <arjan.tijms_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He everyone,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'd like to share some concerns about the level of activity of
>>>>>>>>> this EG.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm very happy with the recent proposal by Bauke, but apart from
>>>>>>>>> that, activity currently doesn't seem to be at the same level as it once
>>>>>>>>> was.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you look at the commits in the RI, then it's quite clear that
>>>>>>>>> activity is a little down, even after the master branch was opened again.
>>>>>>>>> See https://github.com/javaserverfaces/mojarra/commits/master
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Looking at the amount of actual features being developed for JSF
>>>>>>>>> 2.3 (e.g. actual code), then when JSF 2.3 just started Manfred was doing an
>>>>>>>>> amount of commits for the initial CDI alignment feature, but after
>>>>>>>>> approximately early 2015 I didn't see JSF 2.3 feature commits from him
>>>>>>>>> anymore (please correct me if I'm wrong, I may have missed something).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As for Ed, there were some clarifications during 2015 and one
>>>>>>>>> bigger feature just before JavaOne (validateWholeBean). I'm not entirely
>>>>>>>>> sure if that feature is deemed fully ready wrt to the implementation (the
>>>>>>>>> spec issue is closed though), but after JavaOne no more commits were being
>>>>>>>>> done for it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As for the various EG members, a variety of issues were assigned
>>>>>>>>> to different people, but I've not yet seen many patches or code commits for
>>>>>>>>> those. The only one that comes to mind is the Java 8 JSR 310 from Josh and
>>>>>>>>> Ed (again, correct me if I missed something).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now my own activity is down too, so I know I'm to blame as well,
>>>>>>>>> but that still doesn't take away that IMHO activity could improve a little.
>>>>>>>>> It's now almost 2016, so perhaps a good time to reflect on what we have
>>>>>>>>> accomplished last year and what we plan to accomplish next year ;)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Something that may help here is a scheduled bi-weekly IRC chat,
>>>>>>>>> just to see where we stand and were we're heading.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>> Arjan Tijms
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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