Yes, that's why I wrote *bits* of JUL will get deprecated (so
modularization will be possible).
We write more logs than servlets, we write more logs than restservices, we
write more logs than entities... We then aggregate frameworks that use
different logging frameworks, we configure them differently, it is a pain
to manage... but let's face it, there is no money to be made out of
standardizing logs. If you read my first email, you'll undersant that 6 of
the top 20 git hub projects are related to logging. So no, there is no
standard nor defacto standard !
Antonio
On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 9:42 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau_at_gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> 2015-04-14 21:23 GMT+02:00 Antonio Goncalves <antonio.goncalves_at_gmail.com>
> :
>
>> Gosh, we've talked about it so many times that it's becoming painful : no
>> body uses JUL in a production environment. Full stop. So, let's do
>> something else. The good thing is that it looks like bits of JULs will get
>> deprecated [1] so it will be easier to get rid of it when modularization.
>>
>>
> That is a wrong free assumption...and moreover not a reason to create
> another *API*.
>
> Side note: JUL will not get deprecated reading your link, just part
> property listener part
>
>
>
>> Antonio
>>
>> [1] http://openjdk.java.net/jeps/162
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
>> rmannibucau_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> @Antonio: can you point out what you want to standardize? Seems
>>> java.util.logging is here and already standard. Only missing thing from my
>>> point of view is "application" configuration but not sure it does worth a
>>> JSR, do yuo have something else in mind?
>>>
>>>
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>>> 2015-04-14 20:00 GMT+02:00 Antonio Goncalves <
>>> antonio.goncalves_at_gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I've mentioned standardizing logging so many time [1], that I'll make
>>>> it short this time (BTW, on a day to day basis, as a developper, I still
>>>> struggle with logs).
>>>>
>>>> But this time I saw this blog, so I couldn't stop from thinking about
>>>> it : *On the top 20 Java GitHub projects, 6 are related to logging*
>>>> [2] I know logging wasn't in the top priorities of the Java EE 8 survey,
>>>> but I think it's also our duty to acknowledge that, if so many logging
>>>> framework exists, then, there is a demand.
>>>>
>>>> Antonio
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> http://antoniogoncalves.org/2012/09/06/i-need-you-for-logging-api-spec-lead/
>>>> [2]
>>>> http://blog.takipi.com/we-analyzed-60678-libraries-on-github-here-are-the-top-100/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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