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[javaee-spec users] [jsr342-experts] Re: Servlet Profile (was JAX-RS and the Web Profile)

From: <reza_rahman_at_lycos.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:50:28 +0000 (GMT)

-1. We already talked about this and it is a bad idea that weakens compatibility (the whole point of the JCP/Java EE).

Feb 23, 2012 06:22:13 AM, jsr342-experts_at_javaee-spec.java.net wrote:

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I remember back on the Java EE 6 expert group we talked about having a "minimal profile" with only Servlet & JSPs (I remember Rod Johnson being interested in such profile, Roberto Chinicci even wrote a few blog posts about it : http://weblogs.java.net/blog/robc/archive/2008/02/profiles_in_the_1.html).
I have a few concerns with this. First of all, JSPs are not evolving : it is a poor UI framework (no Ajax and so on) and is not a templating fwk either. Second, except if I'm missed something on Servlet 3.1, we don't have a simple controller to build MVC web apps. With just Servlets and JSPs, we miss the controller. I remember that the JAX-RS 1.1 and Servlet 3.0 expert group talked about it, but I think nothing happened.
For me, such a minimal profile would make sense with a proper templating framework, Expression Language and a simple servlet controller (à la Spring MVC).
My 2 cents
Antonio

On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 08:03, Jason Porter wrote:
I'd also like to suggest a simple Servlet or Basic profile. It would include servlets, JSP, EL, CDI and JAX-RS. Essentially tomcat / jetty with CDI and JAX-RS integrated. This would give a very powerful programming environment (namely CDI and JAX-RS) as a strong base and also allow our friends developing tomcat and jetty to join in and be a Java EE compliant server! Oh, and JSF would then run purely in a Java EE environment, no more "pseudo EE container" aka Servlet container.