This would essentially be the "nuclear option" for our currently nascent Java EE Guardians effort. Let's hope it never gets to that because nuclear options are usually not good for very much other than deterrents...
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-------- Original message --------From: Markus Karg <karg_at_quipsy.de> Date: 3/31/16 10:40 AM (GMT-05:00) To: users_at_glassfish.java.net Subject: [gf-users] Re: Glassfish Server Open Source Version
Maybe „the community” should simply fork GlassFish on GitHub, register hundreds of well-known contributors there as the new managing organization,
and then ask Oracle to simply hand out the trademark name. ;-)
I bet, they won’t be cooperative even then!
L
-Markus
Von: Steven Siebert [mailto:smsiebe_at_gmail.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. März 2016 15:55
An: users_at_glassfish.java.net
Betreff: [gf-users] Re: Glassfish Server Open Source Version
awww...now why do you need to bring reality into the discussion? =)
I'm actually thinking a little higher in the food chain. A news article [0] on the open office transition identified Luke Kowalski [1], VP of Oracle Corporate Architecture Group, as involved. I assume he was
involved more than just as a mouth piece, but even if that was the extent, he would certainly could be a good resource to find the right people.
Like any business deal, though, it should be mutually beneficial and the idea presented in an appropriate manner. Perhaps the GF Community can, together, create a compelling recommendation to Oracle and present
it in a unified voice.
[0]
http://www.zdnet.com/article/oracle-gives-openoffice-to-apache/
[1]
https://www.linkedin.com/in/lukekowalski
S
On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Markus Karg <karg_at_quipsy.de> wrote:
I doubt that those two business units even know of each other’s existence. :-D
Von: Steven Siebert [mailto:smsiebe_at_gmail.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. März 2016 15:31
An: users_at_glassfish.java.net
Betreff: [gf-users] Re: Glassfish Server Open Source Version
Perhaps you could find an ear by discovering who at Oracle was involved with getting OpenOffice into the Apache foundation?
On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 9:20 AM, reza_rahman <reza_rahman_at_lycos.com> wrote:
Like most projects in our industry, your best bet is outbound folks like evangelists, project managers and executives. Talking with engineers, sales people or middle managers is
hardly ever productive outside of very mundane issues.
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-------- Original message --------
From: Markus Karg <karg_at_quipsy.de>
Date: 3/31/16 9:09 AM (GMT-05:00)
To:
users_at_glassfish.java.net
Subject: [gf-users] Re: Glassfish Server Open Source Version
Reza,
thank you for speaking frankly.
I wonder whether there is any person at Oracle who is really willing to discuss a friendly
migration of the GlassFish project management from their own (possibly no-more-existing team) to the Payara team?
-Markus
Von: reza_rahman [mailto:reza_rahman_at_lycos.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. März 2016 15:05
An: users_at_glassfish.java.net
Betreff: [gf-users] Re: Glassfish Server Open Source Version
Personally I don't think there is much point to waiting to hear back from Oracle on just about anything other than their commercial products. And even then you'd be pushing your
luck unless you are one of their multi million dollar customers...
Just my two cents.
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-------- Original message --------
From: Markus Karg <karg_at_quipsy.de>
Date: 3/31/16 7:37 AM (GMT-05:00)
To:
users_at_glassfish.java.net
Subject: [gf-users] Re: Glassfish Server Open Source Version
While I was roaming several JUGs about that idea, I was always a bit reluctant with
such a public address – I wanted to get Oracle’s opinion first, but while a lot of Oracle people discussed the idea with me, no officials ever decided for or against it…
Von: reza_rahman [mailto:reza_rahman_at_lycos.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. März 2016 13:03
An: users_at_glassfish.java.net
Betreff: [gf-users] Re: Glassfish Server Open Source Version
This too would be a great idea. Perhaps such issues are worth writing a blog entry about?
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-------- Original message --------
From: Markus Karg <karg_at_quipsy.de>
Date: 3/31/16 6:08 AM (GMT-05:00)
To:
users_at_glassfish.java.net
Subject: [gf-users] Re: Glassfish Server Open Source Version
Reza,
thank you for this insight.
I wonder why Oracle not simply opens the further project management of GlassFish to
the community, so we can simply build up our own organizational structures to keep this valueable open source project alive – possibly with Payara staff as managers?
-Markus
Von: reza_rahman [mailto:reza_rahman_at_lycos.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. März 2016 11:53
An: users_at_glassfish.java.net
Betreff: [gf-users] Re: Glassfish Server Open Source Version
Officially speaking, yes GlassFish is the RI for Java EE. Practically speaking with how much of the EE 8 work now done by the community, it may soon become a good idea to work with
Payara if actively engaged in spec development or evaluation.
The Payara team has always made it clear their goal is to merge as much work back into GlassFish as possible. We are yet to see the same strong commitment from Oracle to supporting
the community in moving GlassFish and Java EE 8 forward. We hope to see such a commitment and tangible effort to back up that commitment some time in the future.
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-------- Original message --------
From: Yannick Majoros <yannick.majoros_at_gmail.com>
Date: 3/31/16 5:20 AM (GMT-05:00)
To:
users_at_glassfish.java.net
Subject: [gf-users] Re: Glassfish Server Open Source Version
Hey Reza,
Will GF5 be the reference implementation of Java EE 8?
It seemed that Payara contributed back to GF. Is it still the case?
Cheers,
Yannick
Le jeu. 31 mars 2016 à 11:01, reza_rahman <reza_rahman_at_lycos.com> a écrit :
You really should look into Payara. I doubt anyone would responsibly advise you to use plain GlassFish for anything other than learning.
Oracle officially stopped supporting GlassFish commercially a while back. Consequently GlassFish is hardly a maintened code base any more. I doubt that will change any time in the
future.
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-------- Original message --------
From: "Veasey, Delores E" <delores.e.veasey_at_lmco.com>
Date: 3/30/16 12:20 PM (GMT-05:00)
To:
users_at_glassfish.java.net
Subject: [gf-users] Glassfish Server Open Source Version
How old is Glassfish server version 3.1.2.2
Is there a Glassfish version 3.2.2.12
Is version 3.1.2.2 still supported, if not what is the most current version
Than you very much,
Delores E. Vesey
Lockheed Martin Houston
Delores.e.veasey_at_lmco.com
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Yannick Majoros