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RE: Dissapointed

From: Adam Jenkins <adamjenkinstmpredirect_at_yahoo.com.au>
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:44:16 -0700 (PDT)

Thanks for the feedback Martin, The issues are https://glassfish.dev.java.net/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=8589 and https://glassfish.dev.java.net/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=8590 The first one has a netbeans project attached that reproduces things. Unfortunately I'm not able to point you at the source (glassfish source) as I don't know. It's the weekend here at the moment, and I don't have to start moving to JBoss until next week so I'm going to have an attempt at checking out the glassfish source today and hoping for a miracle :) You're right, glassfish has a very nice interface...however you can apparently get the same level of interface for JBoss with a subscription...so maybe I'll head that route if I can't figure out what's going wrong with the issue. --- On Sat, 11/7/09, Martin Gainty <mgainty@hotmail.com> wrote: > From: Martin Gainty <mgainty@hotmail.com> > Subject: RE: Dissapointed > To: "Users GlassFish.dev.java.net" <users@glassfish.dev.java.net> > Received: Saturday, 11 July, 2009, 10:46 AM > > > > #yiv124723027 .hmmessage P > { > margin:0px;padding:0px;} > #yiv124723027 { > font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} > > > > the biggest factor is Sun merging with Oracle > one of those situations that a staff that is trying to > merge the 2 disparate Sun and Oracle codebases and a feature > request such as IIOP connector falls between the cracks > > Jboss has been on the market longer but GF has a far > superior (as)admin and Admin > interface..jboss has no GUI interface last time I checked > in 06 > > Thank god you at least you have the good sense to stay in > J2EE space and away from expensive and unworkable > proprietary code from Washington (not DC) > > In any case if you point me to the source and the bug I can > take a crack at it > > Keep the Faith > Martin Gainty > ______________________________________________ > Verzicht und Vertraulichkeitanmerkung/Note de déni et de > confidentialité >   > Diese Nachricht ist vertraulich. 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This is a bit of a negative post, but please > take it in the constructive manner in which I intend it. > Hopefully my experiences will assist the glassfish team to > adapt and become more successful. > > > > A few years ago, at a Sun conference targeting > partners and certified architects, a Sun speaker requested > that we start considering the Netbeans/Glassfish stack > instead of Eclipse/Spring/Jboss which is by far the market > share here in Australia. > > > > Because I owe so much to Java and Sun (essentially my > entire career), I started to experiment with the > Netbeans/Glassfish/JEE5 combination, and initially saw much > potential in it, and started to champion it. > > > > It took a looooong time for clients to take me > seriously. I finally got my way on a project, and over the > last year development has been quite good, and Netbeans has > been a good platform. > > > > Unfortunately, during deployment into production we > found a pretty big bug in Glassfish v2.1, the stable > production release. A web tier object won't repeatedly > connect over iiop to a remote EJB application. This is > stock standard JEE, and core functionality that JEE > developers have been using for years. But I understand that > bugs exist and it's no ones fault, in fact it's an > opportunity to make a product even better. > > > > So I prepared a test project that reproduced the issue > and submitted 2 P1 bugs 8589 and 8590, along with massive > amounts of configuration information and an offer to help as > much as is useful. > > > > That was two weeks ago, and after querying why the bug > hasn't even been triaged, I was told that "it's > not clear when we'll have time to investigate"...I > would understand if this was a P3 or P4, or if it involved > something on the fringes like using a custom JCA > connector...but this is a P1 stopping a web tier using iiop > to connect to an EJB tier...that's bread and butter > stuff to a JEE developer. > > > > Anyway, since development has finished and we're > preparing to move into production, I've just been given > the call to switch to back to JBoss, and I can't stall > any more. > > > > I understand this is an open source project, and one > could argue that I should buy a service agreement license if > I want bugs addressed, but one could also argue that open > source is a collaborative environment, and to be take > seriously, you have to be willing to meet the expectations > of both your paying and community partners. > > > > Over the years I've posted many issues to the > JBoss forums (and indeed many other open source > projects)...and have been involved in submitting many > patches to many different projects. JBoss has never taken > more than a few hours to get back to me on anything greater > than a P4...and while the answer is not always the solution > I wanted, at least they investigated and addressed the issue > and gave me a way to keep the team moving forward. Indeed I > think the longest I've ever had to wait for significant > feedback from an open source project is about 3 days...until > now anyway. > > > > I offered to try and fix this issue myself with a > little direction, an offer that is usually met with > gratitude from open source projects...but to no avail :( > > > > Anyway, it is with a very heavy heart that today I > slink off to the Jboss site defeated as we plan a migrated > back to eclipse/jboss. I can't in good conscience > recommend Glassfish to my corporate clients (most of which > are investment banks, govt departments and insurance > companies), not because of the product itself (which I > really like, and think it generally easier to develop > against than JBoss), but because of the uncertainty around > it's ability to be used in a production environment > without a license (many of the departments I consult with > and teach at have multiple JBoss installations without > licenses working in production) > > > > Anyway, I just thought I'd share my concerns. > Like they say, for every one person that complains > there's a hundred that stayed silent. My suggestion > would be to spend some time looking at how bugs are triaged, > or to state as part of the community download in big bold > letters that preference in bug fixing will be given to > paying clients (if that's is the case, I have no > visibility into things, so I'm making an assumption > which is possibly incorrect). > > > > Thanks for all the help from the list during > development. I've learned a lot about Glassfish over > the last year and will continue to track progress of the > product, looking forward to the day I can use it in > production. > > > > Cheers > > Adam > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. 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