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Re: Opinions Wanted: v3 GUI Prototype

From: Judy Tang <Judy.J.Tang_at_Sun.COM>
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:04:43 -0800

Hi Kristian and Survivant, Thanks so much for your input. Great to
hear from you :-)

Hope we can get more input to Ken's email. Thanks Ken !

Judy

Survivant 00 wrote:
> :)
>
> and don't forget to be able to add JMX monitoring in one of the dashboard..
>
> I could get something like that
> Tab1 : Deploy application
> tab2 : Monitoring few applications
> tab3 : logs
> tab4 : sudoku :)
>
>
>
> 2009/2/25 Ken Paulsen <Ken.Paulsen_at_sun.com <mailto:Ken.Paulsen_at_sun.com>>
>
>
> Yes, that's something we will be investigating (notice there is a
> dashboard link in one of the menus). No promises, but you may get
> your wish...
>
> Ken
>
>
> Survivant 00 wrote:
>> one thing that I would like to have is a personalized dashboard.
>> Like google IGoogle page. You can add gadget to the main page and
>> move them.
>>
>> Like that I could create few main pages accessible with tabs and I
>> customized my views.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/2/25 Ken Paulsen <Ken.Paulsen_at_sun.com
>> <mailto:Ken.Paulsen_at_sun.com>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Kristian,
>>
>> Thanks for the great feedback! To answer your question
>> regarding searching... currently we only search tags (not the
>> content seen on any screens). Implementing a tag-search is
>> very easy and straight-forward, searching localized content is
>> much harder.
>>
>> Our thought for tags was that pages could be tagged with some
>> default tags. The user can then add / remove tags they would
>> like to see, for example I might put "ken" as a tag on the 5
>> or 6 pages I like to visit. Then the search would allow me to
>> find those pages in 1 click. Tags might be task-oriented
>> (monday tasks), content oriented (applications), or user
>> oriented (ken).... depending on how you'd like to use them.
>>
>> We also plan to have a "settings..." page (the link is in the
>> menu). This page will allow you to turn off features like
>> tagging which might otherwise get in your way. :) The sliding
>> panel on the right is supposed to remember to stay off the
>> screen when you close it also -- that's a current bug.
>>
>> Thanks again for the feedback.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>> Kristian Rink wrote:
>>> Hi Ken, *;
>>>
>>> a few comments as I have stumbled across this earlier, already... :)
>>>
>>> Ken Paulsen schrieb:
>>>
>>>> Here are some things we are particularly interested in feedback on:
>>>> * Do you like/dislike the menus?
>>>>
>>> Pretty good. Actually, the menu structure looks rather straightforward and
>>> quite task-oriented, in my opinion way more "logical" and consistent than
>>> the current tree-view navigation.
>>>
>>> That said: I liked the tree in GFv2 but maybe, if included in v3, it should
>>> be pruned a little - in my opinion it is too big right now, some things
>>> could eventually be arranged in a better way (like, in example, having just
>>> a tag "applications" to contain everything including webapps, ejb modules
>>> and the like in a table-like fashion explaining what kind of type each app
>>> is?).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> * Do you like/dislike the tagging feature?
>>>>
>>> Well... so far tagging seems all around, but honestly speaking, personally I
>>> don't see much use in that feature, around here. Given a strictly outlined,
>>> usable, sane menu structure easily allowing for having all features just a
>>> click away, I am not sure why to eventually add even more complexity by
>>> introducing a navigation hierarchy / structure of my own... ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Of course all other comments are also welcome (what's missing? what do
>>>> you really like? what do you dislike? etc.).
>>>>
>>> At first a "visual" thing: I would kinda scale down the big blue page header
>>> ("Glassfish V3 Prelude Administration Console"). Sure, it's not that big,
>>> but at least on my notebook display (1280x800), that's quite a big area on
>>> the screen not really containing any meaningful information. Having this
>>> header half as high still should be sufficient IMHO.
>>>
>>> Then: As stated I don't personally see the need to have tagging around.
>>> Other than that, I'd like to have the "search" facility located in some more
>>> exposed position (in the main menu?) as "fallback" given someone doesn't
>>> find/want to search the section required... Search does also search the
>>> admin_gui itself and not just the tags added to pages, doesn't it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> * Performance -- it's not good right now, it will be MUCH better
>>>> when it's not a prototype (note: it also doesn't help that this
>>>> prototype is running on a small desktop machine over a DSL-line...
>>>> ;) ).
>>>>
>>> Been testing it using a thin DSL line myself, I think it's not all that bad
>>> either. ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> * Ajax for updating tags and other portions of the screen is not
>>>> implemented
>>>>
>>> Though I generally like AJAX being used in tools like this, I surely would
>>> enjoy seeing features like this dumped for the sake of performance in final
>>> release. Glassfish v2 admin_gui was quite a pleasant and usable experience
>>> but also had some minor glitches eventually could be done better (log
>>> viewer, in example). From that point of view, less AJAX for the sake of an
>>> admin_gui as light and responsive as somewhat possible seems desirable... In
>>> my opinion (even though drastically limited in terms of features), the ui of
>>> tomcat lambdaprobe management UI (lambdaprobe.org <http://lambdaprobe.org>) still somewhat shines
>>> even obviously discontinued...
>>>
>>> Oh well, I'll better stop muttering now... :) Keep up the good work, all the
>>> best!
>>> K.
>>>
>>>
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