It's important we take action on this.
We could argue that the mailing list system should be smart/flexible enough to filter them out or even have a different "reply-to" configuration or even that we should have different approaches between DEV and USERS because the former has more Oracle folks but at the end of the day the USERS feedback can loud and clear so I'm supporting Ed's proposal as well. We can revisit later.
-Alexis
On 9 mars 2011, at 21:00, Joe Di Pol wrote:
> On 03/ 9/11 11:36 AM, Sahoo wrote:
>> It is not that difficult to filter these noises at the client end. Many of us have done it
>> quite successfully. OOTH, it will be a lot inconvenient for core developers to remember to
>> resubscribe. I checked with a number of developers locally and they all felt the same
>> about the proposal.
>
> The auto-replies from broken "vacation" auto-responders are anti-social
> behavior and the mailing list subscribers should not have to deal with
> them. I fully support Ed's proposal.
>
> If you don't want to hassle with taking yourself off the list, then
> don't use a broken "vacation" auto-responder. In fact I highly
> recommend that @oracle.com accounts do not use the out-of-office
> feature until it is fixed.
>
> I understand that the accounts sending these auto-replies are/were
> unaware of the consequences of setting up their out-of-office e-mail.
> But that doesn't make things more palatable for the mailing lists.
>
> Note that getting the broken auto-responder fixed has been escalated, so
> hopefully the root cause of the problem is fixed shortly.
>
> Joe
>
>>
>> On Thursday 10 March 2011 12:59 AM, Edward Bratt wrote:
>>> I agree that this isn't the best solution but there's simply too much clutter. I hope
>>> the root cause will be fixed soon.
>>> -- Ed
>>>
>>> on 3/9/2011 1:49 AM Sahoo said the following:
>>>> This does not seem like an optimal solution given that most of the GlassFish developers
>>>> by virtue of using Oracle email server don't have an option to configure their "auto
>>>> reply" settings to not reply to mailing lists.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday 09 March 2011 04:34 AM, Edward Bratt wrote:
>>>>> Due to popular demand we will begin to take action against users whose auto-reply
>>>>> messages clog the GlassFish aliases (most prominently, users and dev). We realize this
>>>>> is a problem with some mail servers, but the impact is simply causing too much clutter
>>>>> and getting in the way of productivity.
>>>>>
>>>>> Beginning today, users whose auto-response reply messages are generated in reply to
>>>>> every message -- including users whose e-mail messages are blocked by virtue of the
>>>>> Moderate function -- will be unsubscribed.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are unsubscribed, you will receive a notice from the Sympa mail auto-bot
>>>>> alerting you of this fact. This e-mail contains a reply link which you may use to
>>>>> re-subscribe upon your return. Alternately, you can browse to
>>>>> http://java.net/projects/glassfish/lists and click the Subscribe button below the
>>>>> Users and/or Dev alias. In addition, you may review all content that was circulated in
>>>>> your absence with the Archive view facility of java.net. From the lists page (link
>>>>> above), Click "Browse Archives", or, for the GlassFish users list, click this link
>>>>> <http://java.net/projects/glassfish/lists/users/archive>.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can avoid this by either suspending mail delivery, or switching your subscription
>>>>> / delivery preference to Digest, before you leave the office. Unfortunately, the
>>>>> administrators cannot do this for you, so if you don't take action, we'll have to
>>>>> resort to the more draconian Unsubscribe method during your office vacancy.
>>>>>
>>>>> You may set your e-mail delivery method to digest, in the Kenai UI. Browse to your
>>>>> "subscriptions" page and you can view all your settings in one form (Login to
>>>>> Java.net, Click your user ID, click Edit My Profile, Click the Subscriptions tab.)
>>>>>
>>>>> You can suspend your e-mail subscriptions, and remain subscribed by e-mail as follows:
>>>>> send a message to sympa_at_glassfish.java.net
>>>>> In the body include, one line, for each list you are subscribed to:
>>>>>
>>>>> SET dev NOMAIL
>>>>> SET users NOMAIL
>>>>> QUIT
>>>>>
>>>>> To return to your previous subscription settings, send another message to:
>>>>> sympa_at_glassfish.java.net with the following
>>>>>
>>>>> SET dev MAIL
>>>>> SET users MAIL
>>>>> QUIT
>>>>>
>>>>> You can save these messages, to simplify this process for future office vacancies. You
>>>>> can follow this recipe for other projects you are also a member of, just change the
>>>>> e-mail destination to sympa@<project>.java.net, and adjust the lists accordingly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Enhancements for some mail servers, are in the works and we hope those will alleviate
>>>>> this problem soon. Until then, we apologize for this inconvenience, if you are
>>>>> unsubscribed.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cheers, Ed
>>>>>
>>>>> Oracle <http://www.oracle.com>
>>>>> Ed Bratt | Senior Software Development Manager
>>>>> Phone: +1 408 2764170 <tel:+1%20408%202764170> | Fax: +1 408 2767191
>>>>> <fax:+1%20408%202767191> | Skype ID: edbratt
>>>>> Oracle GlassFish Server
>>>>> <http://www.oracle.com/us/products/middleware/application-server/oracle-glassfish-server/index.html>
>>>>> 4220 Network Circle | MS USCA22-102 | Santa Clara, CA 95054
>>>>> Green Oracle <http://www.oracle.com/commitment> Oracle is committed to developing
>>>>> practices and products that help protect the environment
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers, Ed
>>>
>>> Oracle <http://www.oracle.com>
>>> Ed Bratt | Senior Software Development Manager
>>> Phone: +1 408 2764170 <tel:+1%20408%202764170> | Fax: +1 408 2767191
>>> <fax:+1%20408%202767191> | Skype ID: edbratt
>>> Oracle GlassFish Server
>>> <http://www.oracle.com/us/products/middleware/application-server/oracle-glassfish-server/index.html>
>>> 4220 Network Circle | MS USCA22-102 | Santa Clara, CA 95054
>>> Green Oracle <http://www.oracle.com/commitment> Oracle is committed to developing
>>> practices and products that help protect the environment
>>>
>>
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