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Re: Proposal for new GlassFish mailing list for Evangelist / Adoption / Marketing

From: Mark Hansen <marklists_at_javector.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:22:01 -0400

It is great to see accelerating adoption of GF! I've been working with
GF for over a year - using it as the platform for developing a book on
Java Web Services. I've had a terrific experience on the USER and DEV
lists. Here are my 2 cents:

* More traffic on USERS would be a *good thing* because the more
eyeballs in that one place - the faster questions get answered.
* It looks good to have a lot of traffic on USERS. When evaluating an
open source solutions, one common metric is for people to take a quick
look at how much traffic is on the USERS list. High traffic means a
vibrant community.
* It is already kind of a pain to deal with the FORUM and the USERS
list. IMO, those should be consolidated (I see that messages now get
cross-posted, but threads don't cross over well because you cannot see
the user names from FORUM on the USER list). Adding another list would
create more complexity/confusion.
* Mozilla needs a clearinghouse to sort through 1000s of issues related
to 3rd party web sites not supporting their browser (being too
IE-centric). GF doesn't have an evangelism issue on this scale (I don't
think).

Sincerely,

Mark Hansen



Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart wrote:

> GlassFish adoption is clearly accelerating and part of that has been
> all the developers, users, and other members of the GF community that
> have been contributing a lot of grass-root energy into this activity.
>
> These community efforts are being coordinated informally through blog
> threads, some threads in the general GF forum @ Java.Net and some
> mailing threads in DEV and USERS mailing list.
>
> Separatedly, Sun has had for a long time a sun-internal alias that
> roughly covers this space. The fact that it is Sun-internal is a
> historical anomaly and I want to fix that very soon by moving the
> discussion somewhere at the GF community.
>
> I'd like to ask for suggestions for name and location for this
> discussions.
>
> My feeling is that we do not want to "dump" all these new discussions
> into the USERS alias, so my suggestion is to create a new mailing
> list; name TBD (see proposals below).
>
> Different OSS projects do things differently, but this type of
> approach seems the right one for GF. From what I can see...
>
> - Apache folds "technical evangelism" into USERS
> - Mozilla has a very well developed "tech-evangelism" group, with
> many aliases, etc.
> - NetBeans has an evangelism team with an associated alias
>
> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/tech-evangelism/site/procedures.html
> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/tech-evangelism/site/components.html
> http://www.netbeans.org/community/teams/evangelism/
>
> ====
>
> Thoughts? Comments?
>
> Regarding, the name, last week I had created a
> "marketing_at_glassfish.dev.java.net", but then I realized it may be best
> to ask for feedback. Names I can think of include:
>
> - Marketing
> - Evangelism
> - Adoption
> - Tech-Evangelism
>
> I'd like to act on this by the end of the week, so post your thoughts
> as replies to this thread.... I'm posting the thread to DEV but I'll
> cross-post it to USERS and to the FORUM.
>
> Thanks,
>
> - eduard/o
>
>
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