Hi Scott,
On 12/11/15 4:33 PM, Scott Marlow wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just to be more clear about why I am disappointed about not yet being
> able to participate in discussions about what will be included in the
> JPA 2.2 (MR). I expected there to be earlier discussion about which
> items are being added to the initial JPA 2.2 draft specification. I
> also expected the discussion about which items (JPA spec jiras) to
> include, to occur openly on an expert group mailing list. Instead, I
> happened to read on the EE mailing list, that a plan of possible items
> that will be under consideration for JPA 2.2, are available via [4]
> (as well as [2]).
The list of items for 2.2 is still open. Do you have anything for 2.2
you want to have included and wasn't explicitly mentioned anywhere?
From what I got to know you're interested mainly in better and/or
tighter JPA/CDI integration, which I'm seeing to be quite important, right?
>
> By having the JPA expert group discussions publicly, we will follow an
> open process that allows anyone to express their feedback, for all to
> see. I think that all expert groups should *default to open* or
> answer for why they are not yet open or what their plan is to be more
> open.
>
> I do *like* that for the JavaOne presentation, feedback on the items
> proposed for JPA 2.2, were encouraged. However, the (potential) JPA
> expert group should be (publicly) kept in the loop as well. The
> (potential) JPA expert group should be part of discussion about which
> items are (possibly) under consideration for 2.2.
I tried to notify people through jira where possible - since the current
plan is to have an MR I'd like to focus mainly on unfinished tasks from
2.1 + resolve some existing issues filed in JIRA within the scope of MR.
I think that adds transparency to the work itself.
thanks,
--lukas
>
> Scott
>
> [4]
> https://events.rainfocus.com/oow15/catalog/oracle.jsp?event=javaone&search=jungmann&search.event=javaoneEvent
>
> On 12/10/2015 10:10 AM, Scott Marlow wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have some feedback that I would like to share about the JPA 2.2
>> process (see users_at_javaee-spec.java.net email [1]). While, I enjoyed
>> listening to Lukas Jungmann's presentation [2], I am disappointed to not
>> yet be able to participate in the discussion of what changes should be
>> in JPA 2.2. I think it is very important that we follow the JCP 2.9
>> 1.1.1 [3] guidance. I think that the easiest way to ensure that the
>> substantial development of the JPA 2.2 MR specification is observable,
>> is to immediately start a jsrNNN-experts_at_jpa-spec.java.net mailing list.
>>
>> I also would like to congratulate Lukas Jungmann, on being the new JPA
>> specification lead! :-)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Scott
>>
>> [1]
>> https://java.net/projects/javaee-spec/lists/users/archive/2015-11/message/1
>>
>>
>> [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OKEpg5zpsU#t=4h19m26s
>>
>> [3] Section 1.1.1 from https://www.jcp.org/en/procedures/jcp2_9:
>>
>> "PUBLIC COMMUNICATIONS
>> Expert Groups may choose to keep purely administrative matters private,
>> but all substantive business must be performed in a manner that allows
>> the public to observe their work and to respond to it. All proceedings,
>> discussions, and working documents must be published, and a mechanism
>> must be established to allow the public to provide feedback. One common
>> way of meeting these requirements is through the use of mailing lists,
>> but other alternatives such as blogs, Wikis, and discussion forums may
>> be preferred. Whatever communication mechanisms are chosen, these must
>> include an archiving function so that a record of all communications is
>> preserved. Archives must be readable by the public. 3
>> "
>>