Gili,
I share your concerns and actually I know that at least for some projects it really is true. But as our intention is to keep projects alive, we should concentrate on discussions that lead to some value. Oracle bashing is certainly fun but does not provide something useful to anybody. So the question is: Now that we know that Oracle abandoned some projects and now that we know that Jersey team works only part time on Jersey, what consequences does that actually imply? For me: None. I stay with Jersey as it is a good product and is still actively maintained and developed further, even with possibly slower pace than in Paul+Marc times.
Regards
Markus
Von: cowwoc [mailto:cowwoc_at_bbs.darktech.org]
Gesendet: Samstag, 6. Dezember 2014 17:56
An: users_at_jersey.java.net
Betreff: [Jersey] Re: Is this project dead?
I don't know about recent events, but shortly after Oracle took over Sun they killed most most of their open-source projects. And then there was the Hudson kerfuffle. All in all, this sent out a very negative message to the open-source community. Maybe this is what Joe is referring to.
Gili
On 06/12/2014 4:31 AM, Markus Karg wrote:
Can you please disclose where it was said that "Oracle may be dialling back their support for open source like Jersey"?
From: Jack Lista [mailto:jackalista_at_gmail.com]
Sent: Freitag, 5. Dezember 2014 22:24
To: users_at_jersey.java.net<mailto:users_at_jersey.java.net>
Subject: [Jersey] Re: Is this project dead?
Agreed, Joe, and the progress on bug fixes and feature support is also causing concern, both here and elsewhere. It's very likely we will abandon Jersey for Spring because of exactly this apparent lack of commitment and clarify. A framework like this is too strategic to take a lot of risks with it, and comments elsewhere have indicated that oracle may be dialling back their support for open source like Jersey. We simply can't risk that something so fundamental to our success may be poorly supported. Honestly, it looks like it's already being poorly supported, which is kind of sad, but I tend to agree with cowwoc, the number of resolved defects and related stats are not encouraging.
-=j=-
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 8:24 AM, Joe Mocker <jmocker_at_tremorvideo.com<mailto:jmocker_at_tremorvideo.com>> wrote:
+1
We do not necessarily need to know the specific engineers allocated to the project, but it seems a natural thing for any open source project to publish and maintain a roadmap of current and future work. Clearly the lack of that is making people feel like the project has been abandoned.
--joe
From: Markus Karg <karg_at_quipsy.de<mailto:karg_at_quipsy.de>>
Reply-To: "users_at_jersey.java.net<mailto:users_at_jersey.java.net>" <users_at_jersey.java.net<mailto:users_at_jersey.java.net>>
Date: Monday, December 1, 2014 at 11:24 PM
To: "users_at_jersey.java.net<mailto:users_at_jersey.java.net>" <users_at_jersey.java.net<mailto:users_at_jersey.java.net>>
Subject: [Jersey] Re: Is this project dead?
Jack,
while I share your concerns you should keep in mind that this is an open source project completely sponsored by _Oracle_ not by _Sun_ anymore so management style has changed a lot with many projects. Hence, there is nothing Marek in particular can do to change the situation as he is bound to his supervisor’s plans, of whom the public knows nothing neither name nor position nor address. Do not expect any publicly “visible” Oracle project lead to be actually in charge of “his” own project, the least of them (possibly none at all) actually are free in their decisions in a way you demand it, hence, could act like you want it. Unfortunately Oracle is not so fair to let us know the people behind these decisions so we cannot discuss with _them_. So a discussion like this one is fruitless, as I suspect those managers not even to read the forum postings here.
Having said that I’d like to ask Marek if Oracle is willing to update target dates for inclusion of fixes, or publish updated road maps on future releases, on the web site / JIRA at least once a month. That should not take one person more than one day a month, should be natural management routine of any open source project, and I think everybody would be happy about this frequent sign of live, so nobody would think about abandoning the product.
Regards
-Markus
Von: Jack Lista [mailto:jackalista_at_gmail.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2014 00:07
An: users_at_jersey.java.net<mailto:users_at_jersey.java.net>
Betreff: [Jersey] Re: Is this project dead?
I'm a little concerned with the project's apparent lack of progress, for one, and also for the apparent lack of interest from Oracle. Marek, you needn't feel defensive on Oracle's behalf but out here in the real world, people are making other plans, based on what's going on with the Jersey 2.X project, I would urge you to both communicate more and more clearly and also fix problems more proactively and in greater volume (I've seen quite a few myself) as the reputation of the project is suffering. I've been a fan of Jersey for a while, but this is on the verge of abandonment IMO, we have work to do and can't wait around like this
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Vetle Leinonen-Roeim <vetle_at_roeim.net<mailto:vetle_at_roeim.net>> wrote:
More updates on what's going on behind the scenes would be appreciated. Other than that, I suspect there's a silent majority who is happily using Jersey for lots of useful things.
Personally I've had a great experience using it, apart from some Spring issues that I've contributed to, and I think it absolutely doesn't seem like this project is dead.
Regards,
Vetle