[Jersey] Re: Is this project dead?

From: cowwoc <>
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 11:56:21 -0500

I don't know about recent events, but shortly after Oracle took over Sun
they killed most most of their open-source projects. And then there was
the Hudson kerfuffle. All in all, this sent out a very negative message
to the open-source community. Maybe this is what Joe is referring to.


On 06/12/2014 4:31 AM, Markus Karg wrote:
> Can you please disclose where it was said that "Oracle may be dialling
> back their support for open source like Jersey"?
> *From:*Jack Lista []
> *Sent:* Freitag, 5. Dezember 2014 22:24
> *To:*
> *Subject:* [Jersey] Re: Is this project dead?
> Agreed, Joe, and the progress on bug fixes and feature support is also
> causing concern, both here and elsewhere. It's very likely we will
> abandon Jersey for Spring because of exactly this apparent lack of
> commitment and clarify. A framework like this is too strategic to
> take a lot of risks with it, and comments elsewhere have indicated
> that oracle may be dialling back their support for open source like
> Jersey. We simply can't risk that something so fundamental to our
> success may be poorly supported. Honestly, it looks like it's already
> being poorly supported, which is kind of sad, but I tend to agree with
> cowwoc, the number of resolved defects and related stats are not
> encouraging.
> -=j=-
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 8:24 AM, Joe Mocker <
> <>> wrote:
> +1
> We do not necessarily need to know the specific engineers allocated to
> the project, but it seems a natural thing for any open source project
> to publish and maintain a roadmap of current and future work. Clearly
> the lack of that is making people feel like the project has been
> abandoned.
> --joe
> *From: *Markus Karg < <>>
> *Reply-To: *" <>"
> < <>>
> *Date: *Monday, December 1, 2014 at 11:24 PM
> *To: *" <>"
> < <>>
> *Subject: *[Jersey] Re: Is this project dead?
> Jack,
> while I share your concerns you should keep in mind that this is an
> open source project completely sponsored by _/Oracle/_ not by _/Sun/_
> anymore so management style has changed a lot with many projects.
> Hence, there is nothing Marek in particular can do to change the
> situation as he is bound to his supervisor’s plans, of whom the public
> knows nothing neither name nor position nor address. Do not expect any
> publicly “visible” Oracle project lead to be actually in charge of
> “his” own project, the least of them (possibly none at all) actually
> are free in their decisions in a way you demand it, hence, could act
> like you want it. Unfortunately Oracle is not so fair to let us know
> the people behind these decisions so we cannot discuss with _/them/_.
> So a discussion like this one is fruitless, as I suspect those
> managers not even to read the forum postings here.
> Having said that I’d like to ask Marek if Oracle is willing to update
> target dates for inclusion of fixes, or publish updated road maps on
> future releases, on the web site / JIRA at least once a month. That
> should not take one person more than one day a month, should be
> natural management routine of any open source project, and I think
> everybody would be happy about this frequent sign of live, so nobody
> would think about abandoning the product.
> Regards
> -Markus
> *Von:*Jack Lista []
> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2014 00:07
> *An:* <>
> *Betreff:* [Jersey] Re: Is this project dead?
> I'm a little concerned with the project's apparent lack of progress,
> for one, and also for the apparent lack of interest from Oracle.
> Marek, you needn't feel defensive on Oracle's behalf but out here in
> the real world, people are making other plans, based on what's going
> on with the Jersey 2.X project, I would urge you to both communicate
> more and more clearly and also fix problems more proactively and in
> greater volume (I've seen quite a few myself) as the reputation of the
> project is suffering. I've been a fan of Jersey for a while, but this
> is on the verge of abandonment IMO, we have work to do and can't wait
> around like this
> On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Vetle Leinonen-Roeim
> < <>> wrote:
> More updates on what's going on behind the scenes would be
> appreciated. Other than that, I suspect there's a silent majority who
> is happily using Jersey for lots of useful things.
> Personally I've had a great experience using it, apart from some
> Spring issues that I've contributed to, and I think it absolutely
> doesn't seem like this project is dead.
> Regards,
> Vetle