On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Craig McClanahan <craigmcc_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Tatu Saloranta <tsaloranta_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Igor Minar <iiminar_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
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>> I am not so sure about "talk freely" part... It's Oracle, after all.
>> Larry isn't big on that talking freely thingy... :-)
>
> Well, us *former* Sun guys (left at the beginning of December) have
> been free to talk for quite a while, albeit without being in on any of
> the internal discussions :-).
:-)
Yeah, isn't that great! (it has been years since I left... but I never
had to be careful wrt what I say about Sun, since I seldom anything
too acerbic to say)
>> Still, it's good point to bring up to web developers & maintainers, to
>> improve ergonomics of site design.
>
> As I bemoaned in a Facebook posting today, the garish Oracle "O" on a
> red background is now the favicon on all the Sun sites too. Looking
> at what they've done so far, it's pretty obvious that they just
> attacked the low hanging fruit (s/Sun Logo/Oracle/Logo/g). Over time,
> though, good luck with "advising" Oracle on web design -- I would
> expect all of the former Sun website properties to look like OTN
> (complete with red headers) before long.
Yeah. Corporate branding is something corporations value rather highly.
And in many ways I actually understand that, need to brand, mark your
territory, belonging etc.
So amount of internal feedback probably won't matter too much.
External feedback perhaps tiny bit more, but hey, it'll be Oracle logo
of some kind. After spending big bucks, it's the least one could
get...
> Get used to it ... Oracle is not developer-focused the same way that
> Sun was. Their messaging is all directed to people who will pay them
> for stuff. On the other hand, they are still around and Sun isn't,
> which I guess tells us something about listening to developers and
> forgetting about monetizing anything ...
Sad but true. I don't want to blast Oracle too much, but having worked
for 50% of companies and known people who worked for the other, this
merger really had no positive aspects as far as I am concerned.
Good thing is that Jersey and other already-started projects are open
source, and that there is lots of talent involved with them.
-+ Tatu +-