On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Markus KARG <markus.karg_at_gmx.net> wrote:
> Can you please post the link to the SIP RFC?
>
http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/simple-charter.html
Please have a look at the RFCs mentioned in that page.
Please feel free to ask any further question in this regard.
Cheers,
Imran
> Thanks
> Markus
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Imran M Yousuf [mailto:imran_at_smartitengineering.com]
>> Sent: Montag, 8. September 2008 10:44
>> To: users_at_jersey.dev.java.net
>> Subject: Re: [Jersey] Paper tigers and hidden dragons
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Markus KARG <markus.karg_at_gmx.net>
>> wrote:
>> > I do not know Comet, but I know SIP. Since SIP stands for "Session
>> > Initiation Protocol", it might solve the technical problem but I feel
>> it is
>> > a strong misuse of it's core intention (initiating a session). Isn't
>> XMPP
>> > the ideal solution? I mean, it was actually invented for pushing any
>> XML
>> > information snippet. So why not using it?
>> >
>>
>> Yes SIP was originally designed just for initially, but later SIP was
>> extended and redesinged to support Message Sub-pub as well. Why not
>> using XMPP, first reason is because of it not being a JSR yet and
>> secondly because of our familiarity with JAIN SIP API. IMO, for my
>> case and yours SIP would serve wonderfully, I would actually recommend
>> it :).
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Imran
>>
>> > Have Fun
>> > Markus
>> >
>> >> In fact for a similar poll type requirement we are considering 2
>> >> options - Comet and SIP Servlets. SIP packets can also contain
>> custom
>> >> MIME types and thats a standard (JSR-289, JSR-32, JSR-141), so thats
>> a
>> >> strong candidate, for me at least :).
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> Imran
>> >>
>> >> > application. So it is interesting to see what will happen in the
>> next
>> >> time
>> >> > on this sector. Maybe someone comes up with a JMS implementation
>> (JMS
>> >> is a
>> >> > standard, so we can use it) that is configurable to internally use
>> >> SMTP or
>> >> > XMPP as its native protocol, who knows? ;-)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Have Fun
>> >> >
>> >> > Markus
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > From: Paul.Sandoz_at_Sun.COM [mailto:Paul.Sandoz_at_Sun.COM]
>> >> > Sent: Montag, 8. September 2008 08:43
>> >> > To: users_at_jersey.dev.java.net
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Jersey] Paper tigers and hidden dragons
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sep 5, 2008, at 7:21 PM, Markus KARG wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Paul,
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > thank you for posting the link. It was really interesting to read.
>> >> While I
>> >> > share Roy's conclusion, I actually think that XMPP is very
>> >> interesting and
>> >> > maybe in some future the world might accept that there are two
>> >> general
>> >> > purpose protocols: HTTP for polling services, and XMPP for pushing
>> >> services.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Could be :-) the sometimes difficult part is to know when to
>> >> correctly apply
>> >> > what technology.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Maybe JAX-RS 3.0 will support it? ;-)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > It would be interesting to see if XMPP and RESTful services can be
>> >> combined
>> >> > in terms of a Web application. There may be a lot of similarities
>> >> with XMPP
>> >> > and Comet in this respect.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Paul.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards
>> >> >
>> >> > Markus
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > From: Paul.Sandoz_at_Sun.COM [mailto:Paul.Sandoz_at_Sun.COM]
>> >> > Sent: Freitag, 5. September 2008 10:17
>> >> > To: users_at_jersey.dev.java.net
>> >> > Subject: [Jersey] Paper tigers and hidden dragons
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > For those interested in designing HTTP-based systems Roy's latest
>> >> blog entry
>> >> > is an excellent piece of thinking [*] about creating URIs and
>> >> scaling:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > http://roy.gbiv.com/untangled/2008/paper-tigers-and-hidden-dragons
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > (the comments are interesting too, especially the XMPP and SMTP
>> >> comparison).
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > When i briefly looked at the REST and XMPP presentation (and the
>> blog
>> >> > entries about it) my right eyebrow did raise slightly in
>> skepticism
>> >> as to
>> >> > why the example chosen could not be solved using plain old HTTP,
>> but
>> >> then i
>> >> > moved on and got distracted by something else. In the less than 30
>> >> seconds
>> >> > it took for me to be skeptical Roy had a solution, oh well :-)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Paul.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > [*] If It Doesn't Fit, Resource It
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.crummy.com/2008/09/04/0
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Imran M Yousuf
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