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RE: [Jersey] Paper tigers and hidden dragons

From: Markus KARG <markus.karg_at_gmx.net>
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 09:58:38 +0200

I do not know Comet, but I know SIP. Since SIP stands for "Session
Initiation Protocol", it might solve the technical problem but I feel it is
a strong misuse of it's core intention (initiating a session). Isn't XMPP
the ideal solution? I mean, it was actually invented for pushing any XML
information snippet. So why not using it?

Have Fun
Markus

> In fact for a similar poll type requirement we are considering 2
> options - Comet and SIP Servlets. SIP packets can also contain custom
> MIME types and thats a standard (JSR-289, JSR-32, JSR-141), so thats a
> strong candidate, for me at least :).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Imran
>
> > application. So it is interesting to see what will happen in the next
> time
> > on this sector. Maybe someone comes up with a JMS implementation (JMS
> is a
> > standard, so we can use it) that is configurable to internally use
> SMTP or
> > XMPP as its native protocol, who knows? ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> > Have Fun
> >
> > Markus
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Paul.Sandoz_at_Sun.COM [mailto:Paul.Sandoz_at_Sun.COM]
> > Sent: Montag, 8. September 2008 08:43
> > To: users_at_jersey.dev.java.net
> > Subject: Re: [Jersey] Paper tigers and hidden dragons
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sep 5, 2008, at 7:21 PM, Markus KARG wrote:
> >
> > Paul,
> >
> >
> >
> > thank you for posting the link. It was really interesting to read.
> While I
> > share Roy's conclusion, I actually think that XMPP is very
> interesting and
> > maybe in some future the world might accept that there are two
> general
> > purpose protocols: HTTP for polling services, and XMPP for pushing
> services.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Could be :-) the sometimes difficult part is to know when to
> correctly apply
> > what technology.
> >
> >
> >
> > Maybe JAX-RS 3.0 will support it? ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > It would be interesting to see if XMPP and RESTful services can be
> combined
> > in terms of a Web application. There may be a lot of similarities
> with XMPP
> > and Comet in this respect.
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Markus
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Paul.Sandoz_at_Sun.COM [mailto:Paul.Sandoz_at_Sun.COM]
> > Sent: Freitag, 5. September 2008 10:17
> > To: users_at_jersey.dev.java.net
> > Subject: [Jersey] Paper tigers and hidden dragons
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> >
> > For those interested in designing HTTP-based systems Roy's latest
> blog entry
> > is an excellent piece of thinking [*] about creating URIs and
> scaling:
> >
> >
> >
> > http://roy.gbiv.com/untangled/2008/paper-tigers-and-hidden-dragons
> >
> >
> >
> > (the comments are interesting too, especially the XMPP and SMTP
> comparison).
> >
> >
> >
> > When i briefly looked at the REST and XMPP presentation (and the blog
> > entries about it) my right eyebrow did raise slightly in skepticism
> as to
> > why the example chosen could not be solved using plain old HTTP, but
> then i
> > moved on and got distracted by something else. In the less than 30
> seconds
> > it took for me to be skeptical Roy had a solution, oh well :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul.
> >
> >
> >
> > [*] If It Doesn't Fit, Resource It
> >
> > http://www.crummy.com/2008/09/04/0
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
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> Dhaka, Bangladesh
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