[javaee-spec users] [jsr342-experts] Re: Wish-List for EE 8

From: Markus Eisele <>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 16:10:40 +0200

Hi again,

Am Montag, 15. Juli 2013 schrieb Werner Keil :
> Thanks for the link. There are indeed a few JSRs that either didn't make
> it into EE 7 (like the 2 Cache-related ones) or were never intended for it
> from a schedule perspective (though some "widely respected IT magazine
> thought otherwise[?]) but should play a vital role under the hood and
> between other JSRs for EE 8.

I also expected that. Instill consider this a lack of transparency in the
overall planning. Given the fact that EE8 (again) will probably start over
with 'cloud' and I'm not really looking forward to seeing the placeholder
text in the proposed JSRs this would be a great step forward to make a
better assessment regarding the overall goal for EE8

> 350, 351 (it may not have the answer to all Security questions, but tries
> to address some, especially authentication, Single Sign-On, etc.) or the
> not yet proposed Configuration API we should here a little more about
> between now and JavaOne at the latest.

There is some stuff in the making. And it is appreciated. But again: given
the fact that the 'standard' needs to find a good mix between adoption and
maintenance it wouldn't hurt anybody if we continue to take care of the
mature specs...
I appreciate the new specs ... But please don't keep exclusive focus on
them ...

> You may have given up on Logging, did you? Otherwise this while not on
> Aajan's wish-list could be worth mentioning, unless it is widely
> understood, non-JCP de-facto standards like SLF4J or Log4J have won, and
> it's not worth bothering for Java or Java EE?
This is my biggest loss this year. Bill's call on that topic, the missing
jigsaw implementation ... Some loging JEPs which don't care a bit about the
developer perspective. Java Platforms lost the battle here. I consider this
the biggest mistake and I wish there would be a good way for crowd sourcing
JSRs and JEPs easier. In the meantime I also would consider simply taking
log4j et al .. Just to improve the situation. The whole topic will come up
with clouds again. And I expect to see a decent ignorance or JUL
workaround. And yes: I'm disappointed. Mainly about the fact that I do have
a day-job and can't take this into my own hands.

> Cases like OSGi, OAuth, ICU4J or Agorava show, JCP may not always be the
> best place to start[?]

Which adds to a solid standard with a couple of decent dark areas where
gifted people plug 3rd party stuff in. Why not .. It simply isn't the way I
would like it to be ...


> Cheers,
> Werner
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 5:48 AM, Markus Eisele <<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', '');>
> > wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> after the buzz around the EE 7 release is silencing a bit I just
>> wanted to take the opportunity to send around a link I came across
>> yesterday:
>> Arjan compiled a list of things he would love to see in EE 8. Good to
>> see some of it already on the list but also some new things like
>> spending some time to modernize the security frameworks.
>> Cheers,
>> - Markus

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