[javaee-spec users] Re: -experts list

From: Jason Porter <>
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 19:14:20 -0600

A huge +1 from me. I've been harping on this point for awhile now, but the "experts" don't think it's valid. I could go on, but I'd better stop there before I say something I shouldn't say. Or as the timeless Bambi quote goes, "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say nothing at all."

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On Jul 25, 2012, at 18:54, Craig Ringer <> wrote:

> It is becoming increasingly difficult to participate in any discussion here because of the -experts and -users list split.
> People keep on replying to -users discussion on -experts, removing the cc of -users. The discussion is split between the two lists, and whenever I go to reply I have to check the recipient list carefully or I get a bounce from SYMPA explaining that I don't deserve to participate^W^W^W am not an -experts list member. Because people remove -users from the cc list I have to add it again every time, or my message generally only goes to the most immediately recent participant in the conversation.
> Does the EG seek outside opinions and experiences, or not? The -users and -experts split - and more importantly, the fact that discussion keeps on being moved to -experts - is a great way to suppress interest in participation. Presumably the moves to -experts are necessary because not everybody reads -users.
> I would like to think that experience from people who're actually implementing real-world applications and *using* the specs would be valued.
> --
> Craig Ringer