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[javaee-spec users] [jsr342-experts] Re: Servlet Profile (was JAX-RS and the Web Profile)

From: Werner Keil <werner.keil_at_gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:52:35 +0100

Antonio,

Thanks a lot, I can only agree with you on these arguments.
Especially after having massively refactored some code a guy wrote almost
entirely in JSPs, with hand crafted JavaScript all over the place and
business logic scattered and duplicated all over the place (JSP, JS and
sometimes Java, too:-/)

The lack of especially a standard controller or application service
following MVC pattern made him do that, and I'm sure there are more among
the 6, 9 or more Mio. estimated Java developers who fell victim to similar
traps as this guy.

Werner
Am 23.02.2012 12:22 schrieb "Antonio Goncalves" <antonio.goncalves_at_gmail.com
>:

> I remember back on the Java EE 6 expert group we talked about having a
> "minimal profile" with only Servlet & JSPs (I remember Rod Johnson being
> interested in such profile, Roberto Chinicci even wrote a few blog posts
> about it :
> http://weblogs.java.net/blog/robc/archive/2008/02/profiles_in_the_1.html).
>
> I have a few concerns with this. First of all, JSPs are not evolving : it
> is a poor UI framework (no Ajax and so on) and is not a templating fwk
> either. Second, except if I'm missed something on Servlet 3.1, we don't
> have a simple controller to build MVC web apps. With just Servlets and
> JSPs, we miss the controller. I remember that the JAX-RS 1.1 and Servlet
> 3.0 expert group talked about it, but I think nothing happened.
>
> For me, such a minimal profile would make sense with a proper templating
> framework, Expression Language and a simple servlet controller ( la Spring
> MVC).
>
> My 2 cents
>
> Antonio
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 08:03, Jason Porter <lightguard.jp_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'd also like to suggest a simple Servlet or Basic profile. It would
>> include servlets, JSP, EL, CDI and JAX-RS. Essentially tomcat / jetty with
>> CDI and JAX-RS integrated. This would give a very powerful programming
>> environment (namely CDI and JAX-RS) as a strong base and also allow our
>> friends developing tomcat and jetty to join in and be a Java EE compliant
>> server! Oh, and JSF would then run purely in a Java EE environment, no more
>> "pseudo EE container" aka Servlet container.
>>
>>
>