Hi,
To quickly reply to this one first:
>In the case of the JASPIC events, there's also the question of whether
it's appropriate to add a JASPIC feature in this JSR, or whether that
should be done in a JASPIC maintenance release.
It's absolutely not a JASPIC event. The issue is in the JASPIC tracker
still, since before the entire idea of a Security JSR was born we thought
about adding higher level things to JASPIC. Even what's now in a way the
heart of the Security JSR (the identity store) was once discussed to be in
JASPIC. There was some fierce discussion about this, both externally and
internally (ask Alex and Ron ;)).
I just referenced the JASPIC issue since it gave a description and
background about what such events are useful for, but they are thus
not necessarily JASPIC events. The CDI version of them are absolutely not
something we'd want in JASPIC (following an earlier consensus that
JASPIC should stay low level and at most can mandate CDI to
be initialised, but it itself does not use CDI types).
Kind regards,
Arjan Tijms
On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:28 PM, Will Hopkins <will.hopkins_at_oracle.com>
wrote:
> Unfortunately I don't think we can add this, or keep the API/SPI additions
> recently checked into the security-api repository.
>
> As I've noted before, we really have very little time left to wrap up this
> JSR. I've agreed to keep the SecurityContext APIs that are already spec'd,
> but I can't see taking on new APIs. It may seem like a small thing to add a
> couple new methods here and there, but, while it's easy enough to prototype
> an API, there is real work associated with each additional function:
>
> - Have the EG discussion about the API and get consensus that it's
> useful and well-designed. Iterate.
> - Write the specification.
> - Ensure the API code matches the spec.
> - Write the RI code, ensuring that it's integrated, and works as
> designed, with Glassfish 5.0.
> - Write TCK test cases.
> - Write TCK code.
> - Etc.
>
> Apart from the initial design, most of this work falls to me, and a few
> others, here at Oracle. (And I have other responsibilities that keep me
> from spending 100% of my time on the JSR.)
>
> Leaving aside the additional spec/RI/TCK work, there are significant
> design questions with the new submissions that should at least be discussed
> before the APIs are accepted. In the case of the JASPIC events, there's
> also the question of whether it's appropriate to add a JASPIC feature in
> this JSR, or whether that should be done in a JASPIC maintenance release.
> Even if we all agreed on a design today, I'm concerned that there's not
> enough time left in the schedule for a new API to "marinate" -- often,
> issues with APIs only become apparent with time and usage. We run the risk
> of standardizing an API that's not fully baked, if we throw it into the
> spec at the last minute.
> I note that our date to publish a Public Review draft is April 20 -- only
> about two weeks away, given that I'll need to submit the draft several days
> in advance of its publication date (see full schedule below). Meanwhile,
> I've only received comments on the EDR from one EG member (thanks,
> Darran!), even though there are significant open issues called out in the
> document.
>
> I feel like resolving open issues with the existing APIs needs to take
> priority over adding new APIs.
>
> For the record, here is the schedule I'm working from. The end date is
> fixed, determined by the overall EE 8 schedule, and the other dates are
> arrived at by working backwards from the end date. There's not a lot of
> time remaining, and very little slack in the schedule. (I'll be sending
> this to the JCP to update the JSR 375 page, which I can't update myself.)
>
> 2017-03-13 EDR Start
>
> 2017-04-12 EDR End
> 2017-04-20 PR Start (Public Review)
>
> 2017-05-20 PR End
> 2017-05-23 PR Ballot Start
> 2017-05-30 TCK Complete
>
> 2017-06-05 PR Ballot End
> 2017-06-06 21 Day PFD Start (Proposed Final Draft)
> 2017-06-26 21 Day PFD End
> 2017-06-27 Hand FAB materials to JCP
>
> 2017-07-11 FAB Start (Final Approval Ballot)
> 2017-07-24 FAB End
> 2017-07-26 Security GA Release
>
> I hate to be a wet blanket -- all the proposed features seem like good
> ideas, and I wish we had more time to work on them -- but at this point in
> the schedule I can't see adding more content. It's important that we
> complete the JSR on time, with APIs that are carefully considered, clearly
> and accurately specified, and able to stand the test of time.
>
> Thanks for all of your help in accomplishing this.
>
> Regards,
>
> Will
>
>
>
> On 03/31/2017 12:18 PM, arjan tijms wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 4:59 PM, Rudy De Busscher <rdebusscher_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Arjan,
>>
>> That would indeed a good addition for this release (EE8), as it is linked
>> to the 'authentication' theme we have.
>>
>> The question is, what do we put as payload within the event? I should
>> say the principal,
>> *javax.security.CallerPrincipal*
>> which we have created for the spec.
>>
>
> Indeed ;) This is also almost the payload I used for the example event in
> that kickoff app;
>
> public class AuthenticatedEvent extends SecurityEvent {
>
> private static final long serialVersionUID = 1L;
> public AuthenticatedEvent(Object source, Principal principal) {
> super(source, principal);
> }
> }
>
>
>
>>
>> And next to login and logout events, I should also add a* failed login*
>> event.
>>
>> This allows the developers to 'block' a user when there are x failed
>> attempts.
>>
>
> Definitely, that's a very common request as well.
>
> There's 2 options here: an actual event called FailedLogin, or a more
> general event PostAuthenticate with Failure or so as status.
>
> Likely the FailedLogin as you proposed is better, but just throwing (no
> pun) out some options here ;)
>
> One thing to realise here is that Soteria can easily throw the events
> using CDI right before it returns the outcome to the container calling it.
> In many cases this will be "good enough", but to be actually 100% correct
> the events should be thrown by the container when it has actually applied
> (set) or removed the authenticated identity.
>
> This unfortunately requires some container specific code, such as shown
> for Undertow in the linked article.
>
> Kind regards,
> Arjan Tijms
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Regards
>> Rudy
>>
>>
>> On 31 March 2017 at 14:35, arjan tijms <arjan.tijms_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> One of the things that were discussed early on, but till so far hasn't
>>> seen much followup is throwing (CDI) events when the caller is
>>> authenticated (logs in) and logs out.
>>>
>>> See this issue: https://java.net/jira/browse/JASPIC_SPEC-21
>>>
>>> I also wrote an article about this a couple of years ago:
>>>
>>> http://arjan-tijms.omnifaces.org/2012/12/bridging-undertows-
>>> authentication.html
>>>
>>> An example of how these events can be used in practice is shown here:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/javaeekickoff/java-ee-kickoff-app/blob/ma
>>> ster/src/main/java/org/example/kickoff/model/producer/
>>> ActiveUserProducer.java
>>>
>>> The simple post authenticate events (being informational only) are
>>> relatively well understood and something like this is quite often asked for
>>> and/or needed by users.
>>>
>>> I think it would be good to include this in JSR 375.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Arjan Tijms
>>>
>>>
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