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[javaee-security-spec users] [jsr375-experts] Re: Comments on Current Spec Content (take 3)

From: Will Hopkins <will.hopkins_at_oracle.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 13:27:08 -0500

I'm fine with that change.

On 02/07/2017 07:20 AM, Werner Keil wrote:
> Seems I also can, so please if those with strong objections or reasons
> not to stream-line those repositories speak up in the course of the
> day, otherwise I can change it.
>
> Werner
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Werner Keil <werner.keil_at_gmail.com
> <mailto:werner.keil_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Btw, it may not have the highest priority, but if somebody with
> admin rights could eventually rename the other two repositories
>
>
> javaee-security-proposals
> <https://github.com/javaee-security-spec/javaee-security-proposals>
>
>
> javaee-security-examples
> <https://github.com/javaee-security-spec/javaee-security-examples>
>
> To
>
> "security-proposals"
>
> and
>
> "security-examples" then everything would really be consistent ;-)
>
>
> "soteria" is an exception, but RI projects like "jersey", "ozark",
> etc. often have their own distinct names.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
> Werner
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Ivar Grimstad
> <ivar.grimstad_at_gmail.com <mailto:ivar.grimstad_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> That makes sense. Thanks, Werner!
>
> Ivar
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 9:34 AM Werner Keil
> <werner.keil_at_gmail.com <mailto:werner.keil_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I believe a main reason is also licensing. The Spec
> document uses the Spec License (except 2 JSRs by Red Hat
> that somehow negotiated dual-licensing. so strictly
> speaking their Spec could be altered or "improved" under
> the Apache License without problems;-O) while all other
> "code" artifacts use the respective licenses of the RI in
> most cases now.
>
> Werner
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Ivar Grimstad
> <ivar.grimstad_at_gmail.com <mailto:ivar.grimstad_at_gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Is there any reason for separating the spec document
> from the api code? Doesn't it make sense to keep it
> together as they will be following the same versioning
> scheme?
>
> Ivar
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 11:06 PM Will Hopkins
> <will.hopkins_at_oracle.com
> <mailto:will.hopkins_at_oracle.com>> wrote:
>
> Done.
>
>
> On 02/06/2017 05:00 PM, Will Hopkins wrote:
>> Hearing no objections, I'll go ahead with the rename.
>>
>> On 02/06/2017 04:46 PM, arjan tijms wrote:
>>> +1
>>> Sounds good
>>>
>>> Btw, anyone has more comments about my reply to
>>> Will regarding his initial feedback?
>>>
>>> Kind regard,
>>> Arjan Tijms
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 10:40 PM, Werner Keil
>>> <werner.keil_at_gmail.com
>>> <mailto:werner.keil_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1
>>> no problem with that.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Will
>>> Hopkins <will.hopkins_at_oracle.com
>>> <mailto:will.hopkins_at_oracle.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Can we settle on "security-api" and
>>> "security-spec"? Those seem like the
>>> best compromise based on the various
>>> concerns expressed.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 02/06/2017 04:21 PM, Werner Keil wrote:
>>>> Another thought since the artifactID is
>>>> likely to remain that way even in
>>>> future JSRs (beyond 375) why not use
>>>> the artifactId "javax.security-api" ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 10:19 PM, Werner
>>>> Keil <werner.keil_at_gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:werner.keil_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's a little long.
>>>> "sec-api" sounds extremely close to
>>>> the old "spec-api" with just one
>>>> character missing.
>>>> So maybe something in between those
>>>> two extremes?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 10:17 PM,
>>>> Ivar Grimstad
>>>> <ivar.grimstad_at_gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:ivar.grimstad_at_gmail.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Another thought: Why not call
>>>> it what it is and use something
>>>> like javaee-security-api?
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 10:15 PM
>>>> Ivar Grimstad
>>>> <ivar.grimstad_at_gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:ivar.grimstad_at_gmail.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I like sec-api or similar
>>>> better than using the JSR
>>>> number. This JSR will
>>>> probably be followed by
>>>> another for Security API
>>>> 2.0 and will most likely be
>>>> based on the same code base
>>>> and continue using the same
>>>> repo.
>>>>
>>>> Ivar
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at
>>>> 10:05 PM Will Hopkins
>>>> <will.hopkins_at_oracle.com
>>>> <mailto:will.hopkins_at_oracle.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The GitHub repo can be
>>>> renamed any time (i.e.,
>>>> after java.net
>>>> <http://java.net> goes
>>>> away).
>>>>
>>>> The migration plan is
>>>> not yet definite, but I
>>>> believe it will involve
>>>> moving repos to GitHub,
>>>> under a Java EE
>>>> organization. I thought
>>>> we could rename the
>>>> repo at that time
>>>> (since there would no
>>>> longer be a need to
>>>> sync with java.net
>>>> <http://java.net>).
>>>>
>>>> If you like jsr375-api
>>>> better, I can rename it
>>>> now. I also thought of
>>>> sec-api. If so, I'll
>>>> probably rename the
>>>> spec as well, for
>>>> consistency (i.e.,
>>>> jsr375-spec).
>>>>
>>>> Let me know what you think.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 02/06/2017 03:43 PM,
>>>> Werner Keil wrote:
>>>>> Will java.net
>>>>> <http://java.net> now
>>>>> be around after late
>>>>> April???
>>>>>
>>>>> Otherwise not sure,
>>>>> why naming around some
>>>>> strange behavior of a
>>>>> dying platform would
>>>>> be necessary?
>>>>>
>>>>> We could keep a
>>>>> temporary "hack" of
>>>>> "api-code" (unless
>>>>> someone came up with a
>>>>> much better name now
>>>>> ("jsr-api" maybe or
>>>>> "security-api") and
>>>>> change it later
>>>>> assuming java.net
>>>>> <http://java.net> goes
>>>>> away as planned and is
>>>>> not prolonged now?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nailing it to this
>>>>> particular JSR number
>>>>> (similar to JSR 354)
>>>>> "jsr375-api" would
>>>>> also be another option.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Werner
>>>>
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