I think what you are describing can easily be covered via "news" (cf.
Ads). We are already doing news via injection from TheAquarium.
A key difference between News and Ads is that news are fresh, keep
changing and are updated, and are very neutral. Ads are targeted, stay
for a while, and are usually, tied to some level of $$s, contributions,
whatever.
Our RSS/Atom injection plugins allow us to easily automate all these
processes. For example, it would be quite OK to have a comment bar (on
the RHS) of the front page that shows the last 3 new items that have
been tagged as "announcements" in TheAquarium.
We also already have Wiki pages for partners and I've been meaning to do
others for consultants, etc. All of these are open to the community to
announce their availability.
- eduard/o
Shreedhar Ganapathy wrote:
> Some more view points and responses. Bear with me here. I am at the same
> time reconciling your points with my own opinions. I do hope we will
> have something good coming out of this.
>
> Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart wrote:
>> One way that could work is to have one spotlight and have it rotating
>> through anybody that qualifies.
> I like this idea.
>> But that begs the question of who qualifies.
> We could be the first to do this. Nothing wrong with that :)
>>
>> Go check...
>>
>> - http://eclipse.org
>> - http://mozilla.org
>> - http://apache.org
>> - http://fedora.redhat.com
>> - http://debian.org
>> - http://php.net
>>
>> none of them have ads. The only ads are about things _directly_
>> related to the community: conferences, t-shirts, DVDs/CDs of binaries
>> built by the community.
> Okay there is the interesting thing therein. Could we restrict the ads
> to be only for events, tech talks, web casts, conferences, and DVD/CD
> distributions of/related to GF? Will this play well into the
> comprehension of risk? I think we should move in this direction
> (obviously at the cost of removing the iPod Nano blurb)
>
> I would like to make an observation if you do not mind. Personally (and
> I am fine with any counter view points), I feel if we allow say IntelliJ
> or JDeveloper to promote their IDEs for example, as long as they have a
> GF plugin and the ad message is around it, I think their developer
> community gets a chance to adopt GF although they might never move to
> NB. At least in the case of Idea one can be sure there will be limited
> migration to NB and that is one huge developer community.
>
> Also, allowing say JEUS, to promote should be considered on the same
> lines as what we are already sort of encouraging, by way of providing
> them some visibility in one of the wiki pages, although in return
> TMaxSoft site does not mention anything close to GF. I am trying to
> reconcile in my mind as to why this would be any different.
>> Now, blogs.sun.com/theaquarium CAN have ads, and I intend to do that
>> this week. That is because TA _is_ a SUN sponsored site. It is
>> intended to provide fair coverage of all news in the community but the
>> editors are Sun employees and we are very up-front about that.
> That should in fact be done and I think would be a good move. I think we
> could work out a limited set of things that could be advertised in the
> wiki page and probably the GF website as well.
>
> Importantly, this will give the community a voice in placing things of
> interest to the community. After all this is simply information that is
> being highlighted within a set of constraints.
>
>> - eduard/o
>>
>>
>> Shreedhar Ganapathy wrote:
>>> Indeed, I do fully relate to the opening of a pandora's box type
>>> situation here. And the associated risks to our products.
>>>
>>> I do think there are possibilities here that we may not want to miss
>>> given that this is a community wiki.
>>>
>>> I can talk with you about this in the 1x1 tomorrow if you are available.
>>>
>>> regards
>>> Shreedhar
>>>
>>> Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart wrote:
>>>> OK, so...
>>>>
>>>> JEUS 5 downloads... do they qualify?
>>>> JDeveloper downloads... do they qualify?
>>>>
>>>> If yes, why?
>>>> If no, why?
>>>>
>>>> You can tell my inclination is to get out of this tricky area... I
>>>> don't want to legislate.
>>>>
>>>> - eduard/o
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Shreedhar Ganapathy wrote:
>>>>> Eduardo
>>>>> I see your point. And yes I added the promo image and link there.
>>>>> I think this is a good way to attract attention to interesting
>>>>> happenings even if it involves non-Sun parties.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are some draft ground rules as you required :
>>>>> 1. The ads shall apply to only GlassFish community related
>>>>> projects, events and promotions.
>>>>> 2. Promotions should help the adoption and expansion of the
>>>>> GlassFish community
>>>>> 3. Ads cannot be for promotion of a specific company's or
>>>>> individual's commercial offerings related/unrelated to GlassFish.
>>>>> 4. Ads cannot exceed size limits as determined by the wiki
>>>>> management council.
>>>>> 5. Content inside Ads should not be abusive, discriminatory, and
>>>>> should not violate the laws of United States of America.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope this is a good starting point.
>>>>> regards
>>>>> Shreedhar
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart wrote:
>>>>>> The front page of GFW.ORG now has a promo for the JavaEE SDK.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think we should discuss this. In principle I'm OK with adding
>>>>>> it, as long as we write down the rules under which we will accept
>>>>>> these Ads, the rules are company-neutral, and we follow them in
>>>>>> the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another alternative is to not accept things like this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I read the change log correctly, this was introduced by
>>>>>> Shreedhar. Correct? If so, do you want to argue for writing down
>>>>>> the rules?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - eduard/o
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