Hi Linda,
For Versant/JPA we are open to change our behavior for this case.
Christian
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Linda DeMichiel <linda.demichiel_at_oracle.com
> wrote:
> Yes, that is how we need to proceed.
>
> I'd like to hear from the experts on this group who represent JPA
> implementations:
>
> How do you all handle this case?
>
> If we have convergence on this, we should definitely clarify the spec. If
> not, I'm
> afraid we are stuck with "undefined".
>
> thanks,
>
> Linda
>
>
>
>
> On 12/11/2012 7:57 AM, michael keith wrote:
>
>> Yeah, it's always a little tricky to catch the horse once it has left the
>> barn. Someone ends up getting kicked ;-)
>>
>> If we want to update the spec to define the behavior for this case then
>> we would need to poll the different impls to see
>> what everybody does. If they all do the same thing then we could just
>> specify that to be the "right thing". If not, we
>> either go ahead and specify it anyway and the vendors who made the
>> "wrong" choice have to figure out how to best help
>> their customers, or we decide that the cost of specifying is not worth it.
>>
>> On 11/12/2012 10:43 AM, Gordon Yorke wrote:
>>
>>> An ISE would have been the correct choice when JPA was introduced but if
>>> we introduce this now I suspect a lot of
>>> applications will stop working when someone upgrades. At this point we
>>> either leave it undefined or the spec should be
>>> updated to cascade the merge to new objects.
>>>
>>> --Gordon
>>> On 11/12/2012 9:46 AM, michael keith wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Christian,
>>>>
>>>> While I think/hope the book describes the spec as completely as
>>>> possible it probably shouldn't be taken as the
>>>> definitive word ;-). However, I obviously agree with you that the spec
>>>> is not well-defined for this case and needs to
>>>> be clarified. My gut feeling is that it should probably end up as an
>>>> ISE when the object gets flushed since there was
>>>> no directive to merge the address, i.e. cascade merge was *not*
>>>> specified.
>>>>
>>>> -Mike
>>>>
>>>> On 11/12/2012 3:37 AM, Christian von Kutzleben wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Gordon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Gordon Yorke <gordon.yorke_at_oracle.com<mailto:
>>>>> gordon.yorke_at_oracle.**com <gordon.yorke_at_oracle.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Christian,
>>>>> "m_p" would reference a new managed instance of the Address() that
>>>>> would be fully copied from the original
>>>>> Address. The Address is fully copied because it is a practical way
>>>>> to get a managed version of the Address.
>>>>> --Gordon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> While researching more on this issue, I did also find the following
>>>>> statement in "Pro JPA 2", p. 161 "Merging
>>>>> Detached Entities":
>>>>>
>>>>> "If the entity has a relationship to an object that has no persistent
>>>>> identity, the outcome of the merge operation
>>>>> is undefined."
>>>>>
>>>>> So I agree, that what you described is a useful behavior (and that is
>>>>> what we do, if cascade-merge is enabled),
>>>>> however this is not really defined in the spec,
>>>>> and IMO needs clarification.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>
>>>>> Christian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/12/2012 8:56 AM, Christian von Kutzleben wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear group,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is supposed to happen in this scenario:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> @Entity
>>>>>> class Person {
>>>>>> //...
>>>>>> Address address; //cascade-merge or cascade-all are not specified
>>>>>> }
>>>>>>
>>>>>> @Entity
>>>>>> class Address {
>>>>>> //...
>>>>>> }
>>>>>>
>>>>>> em.getTransaction().begin();
>>>>>> Person p = new Person();
>>>>>> em.persist(p);
>>>>>> em.getTransaction().commit();
>>>>>>
>>>>>> em.getTransaction().begin();
>>>>>> em.detach(p);
>>>>>> p.setAddress(new Address());
>>>>>> Person m_p = em.merge(p);
>>>>>>
>>>>>> //what does m_p's "address" field contain? Or should merge throw
>>>>>> an exception right away?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Christian
>>>>>>
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