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[jax-rs-spec users] Re: [javaee-spec users] [jsr366-experts] update to Java EE 8 plan

From: Sergey Beryozkin <sberyozkin_at_talend.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 21:42:11 +0100

What about the spec leads keeping this list updated as opposed to us
browsing around in order to be aware of the plans ?

Sergey
On 13/09/16 15:36, Marek Potociar wrote:
> JavaOne keynote and subsequent JAX-RS related talks next week should
> give you the answers that you have been looking for. Stay tuned.
>
> Marek
>
>> On 08 Sep 2016, at 18:41, Markus KARG <markus_at_headcrashing.eu
>> <mailto:markus_at_headcrashing.eu>> wrote:
>>
>> Let's see what happens.
>> *From:*Sergey Beryozkin [mailto:sberyozkin_at_talend.com]
>> *Sent:*Donnerstag, 8. September 2016 10:23
>> *To:*jsr370-experts_at_jax-rs-spec.java.net
>> <mailto:jsr370-experts_at_jax-rs-spec.java.net>
>> *Subject:*Re: [javaee-spec users] [jsr366-experts] update to Java EE
>> 8 plan
>> I'm finding this quite boring to be honest, seeing the constant
>> stream of negative comments. I'd like to stay positive on the future
>> of JAX-RS
>>
>> Sergey
>> On 07/09/16 18:06, Markus KARG wrote:
>>> Frankly spoken I do not care whom fault it was, as I do very
>>> strongly care about the rules of the JCP being harmed by pausing a
>>> lot of JSRs for months over and over again.
>>> -Markus
>>> *From:*Sergey Beryozkin [mailto:sberyozkin_at_talend.com]
>>> *Sent:*Dienstag, 6. September 2016 21:57
>>> *To:*jsr370-experts_at_jax-rs-spec.java.net
>>> <mailto:jsr370-experts_at_jax-rs-spec.java.net>
>>> *Subject:*Re: [javaee-spec users] [jsr366-experts] update to Java EE
>>> 8 plan
>>> Markus,
>>> The last thing I'm worried about at this stage is that I have not
>>> being informed earlier :-). I trust it was not the choice of spec
>>> leads not to pause the active dev of this spec. I guess it is
>>> obvious the whole process undergoes significant disruptive changes.
>>> If Marek gets out the 1st API out to Central I will celebrate (I do
>>> believe Marek will do it - he said he would look)
>>>
>>> Sergey
>>>
>>> On 06/09/16 17:42, Markus KARG wrote:
>>>> I wonder why Ed Burns does the talk. He never was part of the
>>>> JAX-RS inner circle. Also the topic is "suggestions", not "the
>>>> final answer", which is a bit sad. I expected a talk by Marek about
>>>> "What definitively will be in the box".
>>>> Anyways, it is a real pity that few weeks before J1 the JSR 370
>>>> Expert Group still was not informed about the updated plan. Seems
>>>> either Oracle still has no clue what to tell at J1, or they do not
>>>> think we are worth knowing it before others.
>>>> -Markus
>>>> *From:*Sergey Beryozkin [mailto:sberyozkin_at_talend.com]
>>>> *Sent:*Montag, 5. September 2016 13:42
>>>> *To:*jsr370-experts_at_jax-rs-spec.java.net
>>>> <mailto:jsr370-experts_at_jax-rs-spec.java.net>
>>>> *Subject:*Re: [javaee-spec users] [jsr366-experts] update to Java
>>>> EE 8 plan
>>>> Interesting I was browsing around for more info about the
>>>> forthcoming closure of Java.net <http://java.net> and found
>>>>
>>>> https://oracle.rainfocus.com/scripts/catalog/oow16.jsp?event=javaone&search=Con7983&search.event=javaone
>>>>
>>>> So if a JAX-RS 2.1 talk is planned then surely some more activity
>>>> will likely to happen soon on this list too :-) ?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, Sergey
>>>> On 23/08/16 17:38, Sergey Beryozkin wrote:
>>>>> I think it means it will live.
>>>>> I'm not worried right now at all about the missed original schedules.
>>>>> We are moving slowly forward, Marek will look at publishing the
>>>>> very 1st early 2.1 API soon, and we will
>>>>> keep moving from there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good news
>>>>>
>>>>> Sergey
>>>>> On 23/08/16 17:29, Markus KARG wrote:
>>>>>> What does that mean for JSR 370? Apparently the original and
>>>>>> updated schedules are overdue. Will the JSR get restarted? When?
>>>>>> With what particular target functionality?
>>>>>> -Markus
>>>>>> *From:*Marek Potociar [mailto:marek.potociar_at_oracle.com]
>>>>>> *Sent:*Dienstag, 23. August 2016 18:16
>>>>>> *To:*jsr370-experts_at_jax-rs-spec.java.net
>>>>>> <mailto:jsr370-experts_at_jax-rs-spec.java.net>;users_at_jax-rs-spec.java.net
>>>>>> <mailto:users_at_jax-rs-spec.java.net>
>>>>>> *Subject:*Fwd: [javaee-spec users] [jsr366-experts] update to
>>>>>> Java EE 8 plan
>>>>>> FYI.
>>>>>> Marek
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>> *From:*Bill Shannon <bill.shannon_at_oracle.com
>>>>>> <mailto:bill.shannon_at_oracle.com>>
>>>>>> *Subject: [javaee-spec users] [jsr366-experts] update to Java EE
>>>>>> 8 plan*
>>>>>> *Date:*23 August 2016 at 02:05:23 GMT+2
>>>>>> *To:*jsr366-experts_at_javaee-spec.java.net
>>>>>> <mailto:jsr366-experts_at_javaee-spec.java.net>
>>>>>> *Reply-To:*jsr366-experts_at_javaee-spec.java.net
>>>>>> <mailto:jsr366-experts_at_javaee-spec.java.net>
>>>>>> As many of you have read in the press [1], Oracle is reevaluating the
>>>>>> scope and plans for Java EE 8. Based on the changes we've seen
>>>>>> in the
>>>>>> industry in recent years, we believe we need to do more to Java EE to
>>>>>> make it better suited for developing the next generation of cloud
>>>>>> and microservices applications.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The current generation of enterprise Java applications is already
>>>>>> well
>>>>>> supported by Java EE 7 in cloud services provided by Oracle and
>>>>>> others. As Anil Gaur said in his recent presentation to the JCP
>>>>>> EC [2]:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We would like the future of Java EE to be viable to next
>>>>>> generation
>>>>>> of applications. These apps are composed and deployed differently
>>>>>> in cloud and require flexibility, reliability and scale. The
>>>>>> platform needs a new programming model that's geared towards
>>>>>> reactive style programming for building large-scale distributed
>>>>>> applications that are loosely coupled. In addition, we would like
>>>>>> to see HTTP/2, Config, State management, Eventual Consistency,
>>>>>> Multi-tenancy, O-Auth and OpenID Connect get included in the
>>>>>> platform.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is critical that Java EE reflect the needs of the community.
>>>>>> We are
>>>>>> preparing another community survey, similar to the survey we did in
>>>>>> 2014 [3], to assess whether the community shares our views about
>>>>>> what's needed in Java EE. We expect this survey to be available in
>>>>>> the next few weeks. We'll also be looking at the results of other
>>>>>> surveys and community input, and will be continuing our discussions
>>>>>> with Java EE licensees. At JavaOne we'll be presenting our proposals
>>>>>> for updates to Java EE and gathering feedback from attendees.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After considering the results of our survey and other feedback, we'll
>>>>>> adjust the plans for Java EE 8, with a goal of delivering Java EE 8
>>>>>> within a year. Much of the initially planned work is nearly complete
>>>>>> or well on its way, but new work will need to be done more
>>>>>> quickly than
>>>>>> usual. Obviously all desired work will not be able to be done in
>>>>>> Java
>>>>>> EE 8 and some planned work may no longer be important.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This short schedule for Java EE 8 will allow us to move quickly into
>>>>>> planning for Java EE 9, which will be able to take advantage of the
>>>>>> Java SE 9 Jigsaw module system, and will give us more time for
>>>>>> some of
>>>>>> the larger improvements to the Java EE programming model.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stay tuned for more information about our community survey, and
>>>>>> join us
>>>>>> at JavaOne to hear more about our proposals for Java EE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your opinion is valuable to us and we look forward to
>>>>>> collaborating with you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>> http://www.infoworld.com/article/3098007/java/oracle-to-reboot-java-ee-for-the-cloud.html
>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>> https://jcp.org/aboutJava/communityprocess/ec-public/materials/2016-08-09/August-2016-Public-Minutes.html
>>>>>> [3]https://blogs.oracle.com/ldemichiel/
>>>>>
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