I was just reading that back, and I thought I should make clear that my
answers were meant for Jon in response to the clarification Ryan was
seeking. Now, having read *that* back, I'm not sure that makes any
sense either... So... to recap, I was talking to Jon and not Ryan.
Ryan knows the answer to A much better than I. :)
Hope that helps. That's what I get for trying to answer questions late
at night. :-D
Jason Lee wrote:
> Just for grins, I'm going to chime in with my two cents and see if it
> helps.
>
> Ryan Lubke wrote:
>> Jon Miller wrote:
>>> This is off topic, but, does anyone know why it's already been like 9
>>> months since JSF 1.2 came out and there still isn't a standalone
>>> Apache Tomcat that it will run on (a release version)?
>> This could be taken two ways.
>>
>> Are you wondering:
>>
>> A. Why JSF 1.2 doesn't work (due to its own deficiencies) on any Tomcat
>
> JSF 1.2 depends on JSP 2.1 for a number of reasons, probably one of the
> most prominent is the alignment or unification of the Expression
> Language syntax used by JSF and JSP. Let me quote Mark Roth, co-spec
> lead of JSP 2.1:
>
> "Due to time-to-market considerations, Faces 1.1 was designed for JSP
> 1.2 and therefore could not take advantage of newer JSP features. It
> also meant that JSP could not be changed to meet Faces' needs. This
> resulted in a number of peculiarities, such as a different expression
> language syntax and difficulty "interweaving" Faces tags with JSTL tags.
> The alignment of JSP, the JavaServer Pages Standard Tag Library (JSTL),
> and Faces is our primary focus in JSP 2.1. The primary theme of the J2EE
> 5.0 platform as a whole is ease of development. JSP 2.0 and Faces 1.1
> have already made large steps towards easing development using the J2EE
> web tier, but there is always more to do."
>
> and
>
> "To clarify, you have the option to use Faces without JSP and that will
> not change going forward. JSF 1.2 will depend on the unified EL API,
> which is delivered as part of the J2EE 5.0 platform. So yes, it is true
> that from JSF 1.2 onward, JSF will not work with earlier versions of
> JSP. This is no different than, for example, JSP 2.0 not working with
> versions of Java Servlet earlier than 2.4."
>
> You can find the complete interview at
> http://java.sun.com/developer/community/chat/JavaLive/2004/jl1207.html
>
> Tomcat 5 implements, if I recall correctly, JSP 1.2, so it just does not
> offer what JSF 1.2 needs. That doesn't mean you can't use JSF 1.2 on
> Tomcat (i.e., older version of the JSP spec) as Mark Roth noted.
> Alternate view technologies such as Facelets lets you do just that.
> Exadel has a good document on how to accomplish that:
>
> http://blog.exadel.com/?p=23
>
>> B. Why is it taking so long for a final release of Tomcat 6
>
> Not being privy to the development of Tomcat 6, I really can't even
> hazard a guess. I pretty sure that they have at least an alpha version
> of 6 out, and it may even be a beta, but, as to the specifics of what's
> taking so long, only the Tomcat crew can answer that.
>
> Hope that helps. :)
>
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