[javaee-spec users] Re: Question about ejb modules

From: John D. Ament <>
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 21:20:00 -0400

Hi Linda,

Thanks for the response.

So for one, I guess what you are saying is that the intention is that
an ejb-module, as defined within application.xml of an EAR file is
intended to contain at least one EJB, but you seem to be implying that
you don't think it's perfectly clear from the way the spec reads
currently. I can enter an issue for this if you'd like. The one
concern I have is that you're referencing an ejb-jar, but
application.xml only really has a reference to an ejb-module.

the other half of the issue is that there is no way, right now, to
define a JAR file that just contains CDI beans. I think this is more
evident with Java EE 7 where CDI beans can actually be used almost
entirely throughout an application, especially with the addition of
transaction services. I think the platform spec needs to consider an
enhancement to application.xml to support a
<bean-archive>path/to/jar</bean-archive> entry that indicates this is
a bean archive within the scope of an EAR file, unless it's expected
that CDI beans should be scanned from the lib folder of an EAR.



On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Linda DeMichiel
<> wrote:
> On 10/19/13 7:54 AM, John D. Ament wrote:
>> Experts,
>> I ran into an interesting issue on GlassFish 4, which I hadn't seen
>> before in other application servers. It appears that if I want to
>> deploy an EAR, I cannot put CDI beans into a standalone module, expect
>> it to be scanned and added to the application.
>> Previously, I had used a trick by marking the module as an EJB module
>> it would scan for CDI beans and make them available within my EAR.
>> Now ignoring the CDI scoping issues at play, I am seeing an error come
>> back from GlassFish 4 stating that an EJB module must contain at least
>> one session bean/entity bean/MDB.
>> Is this expected? If so, which spec actually defines this behavior? I
>> was having a hard time finding it.
> John,
> Thanks for your post.
> While the EJB spec should have been more explicit as to whether an
> ejb-jar file must contain EJB beans, I think it is safe to say
> that this is the intention of the spec. For example, see section 15.1:
> "An ejb-jar file produced by the Bean Provider contains one or
> more enterprise beans that typically do not contain application
> assembly instructions. The ejb-jar file produced by an Application
> Assembler (which can be the same person or organization as the
> Bean Provider) contains one or more enterprise beans, plus
> application assembly information describing how the enterprise
> beans are combined into a single application deployment unit."
> Please file a JIRA issue at, so
> that we can track this item for purposes of discussion and clarification
> in the next release.
> As to the GlassFish behavior, my understanding is that GlassFish
> introduced the error-checking for this case back in the Java EE 5 days.
> For further follow-up with our GlassFish team, please post with more
> details about your use case to or file a JIRA
> issue at
> regards,
> -Linda
>> Thanks,
>> John