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[javaee-spec users] [jsr342-experts] Re: Logs. Should we finally do something ?

From: Werner Keil <werner.keil_at_gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:32:44 +0200

The fact is, Log4J, SLF4J and Logback were all done at least partly by Ceki
Glc[?]
I haven't met him personally as I remember we were speaking at different
days on events like DevoXX, but I've been in touch with him since
investigating a unified logging strategy for several large telcos over the
last couple of years, most recently about a year ago in India.

He's based in Switzerland, but I am not sure, if he is JCP Member or
interested in this kind of thing.

If you could get his support or participation in a Logging JSR, this sounds
like a great idea, to get things right.
While it almost replicated some JavaEE aspects like JSF Bean Converters
(without JSF Context) and has a "light" version of JSR-310 somewhat similar
to the Fantom language (which as mentioned also offers modularity) JavaFX
currently has no Logging functionality other than most likely using JDK
Logging internally. A neutral and improved Logging JSR could therefore
benefit not only EE and App Servers, but also Rich Clients in JavaFX and
Mobile Solutions, if Java ever gains enough momentum there again...?[?]

Cheers,
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On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Antonio Goncalves <
antonio.goncalves_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Markus,
>
> I think everybody agrees that having a standard API for logging is
> important (and with multi tenant in the way, it would really make sense for
> Java EE 7). But the problem is "who would be ready to start a new JSR on
> logging" ? I don't personally know the developers behind JUL, Log4j, SLF4J
> or Logback... but they would be awesome candidates.
>
> Antonio
>
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 8:24 AM, Markus Eisele <myfear_at_web.de> wrote:
>
>> Popping this up again because of the missing feedback from Linda/Bill.
>>
>> - Markus
>>
>> On 16 April 2012 19:49, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.goncalves_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I like the idea of standardizing staging in all the specs (and not just
>> JSF)
>> > and I also like the idea of using this staging for log levels (instead
>> of
>> > FINEST, TRACE or whatever). But again, that would mean having a
>> standard way
>> > accross Java EE to define staging and log levels
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sunday, April 15, 2012, Adam Bien wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Antonio,
>> >>
>> >> whats about coupling the log settings to "run levels"?
>> >>
>> >> Every application server I know comes with "development" and
>> "production"
>> >> stage.
>> >>
>> >> We could rely on the spec packages and use then something like:
>> >>
>> >> javax.ejb=production (whatever it means for Log4j -> mapping would be
>> >> server-specific)
>> >> javax.rs=development
>> >> javax.enterprise.inject (but now org.weld)
>> >>
>> >> etc.
>> >>
>> >> I see a problem with your proposals, that the specifiied log levels do
>> not
>> >> have to be available for each framework (log4j, java logging, etc.).
>> >>
>> >> thoughts?
>> >>
>> >> adam
>> >> On 09.03.2012, at 15:43, Antonio Goncalves wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Hi all,
>> >> >
>> >> > We are in 2012 and I just spent a few hours trying to display the
>> logs
>> >> > of an application on GlassFish 3.1.2 and JBoss 7.1.0 (and it's not
>> the first
>> >> > time in my career). Modules to exclude in one, jars to add in the
>> >> > WEB-INF/lib on the other... or to exclude. And of course, that's
>> just my
>> >> > application Log4j logs. If I want to have more logs on javax.ejb I
>> need to
>> >> > setup a different file in JBoss and another one in GlassFish.
>> >> >
>> >> > I know javax.util.logging exists in Java SE but nobody tends to use
>> it
>> >> > (despite GlassFish uses it and JBoss has a brand new logger that
>> wraps
>> >> > java.util.logging), I know we can happily choose from 10 fashionable
>> brand
>> >> > new logging frameworks... but really, it's a pain. Every application
>> uses
>> >> > logs. Every framework uses logs. Every Java EE spec implementation
>> uses
>> >> > logs. For an application to be portable across app servers, for a
>> >> > configuration file to be portable across Java EE specs, we should do
>> >> > something.
>> >> >
>> >> > I would love to write :
>> >> >
>> >> > javax.ejb.level = debug
>> >> > javax.persistence.level = debug
>> >> > org.weld.level = debug
>> >> > my.app.level = debug
>> >> >
>> >> > Add this config file under WEB-INF/classes and don't worry about
>> >> > anything else... and have the same behavior under GlassFish, JBoss or
>> >> > whatever.
>> >> >
>> >> > Logging frameworks have been a battle since day one and it's one of
>> the
>> >> > things that make me feel the Java ecosystem is too complex and is
>> slowly
>> >> > fading from developers/ops concerns. Gosh, I just want to display
>> some logs,
>> >> > why do I have to choose from 10 different frameworks and why should
>> I battle
>> >> > with app server configuration.
>> >> >
>> >> > Isn't it the role of the Java EE spec to make the other spec agree
>> to a
>> >> > standard ? And what about logging ?
>> >> >
>> >> > Antonio
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Antonio Goncalves
>> > Software architect and Java Champion
>> >
>> > Web site | Twitter | Blog | LinkedIn | Paris JUG
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Antonio Goncalves
> Software architect and Java Champion
>
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>




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