From: Werner Keil <werner.keil_at_gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 07:44:17 -0800

You're right, one reason why at least in some countries testers are still
considered second class and often paid far less than developers or
architects.

Werner
Am 09.01.2012 01:43 schrieb "Antonio Goncalves" <antonio.goncalves_at_gmail.com
>:

> As Reza says, time to modernize Java EE. I haven't checked JSR 77 (Java EE
> management) nor JSR 88 (Deployment) but something around configuration,
> deployment, staging would be important. All that would help testing
> frameworks like Arquillian. Testing has always been the bad boy of Java EE.
>
> Antonio
>
> On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 00:05, Werner Keil <werner.keil_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sounds fair, but most people I spoke to between JavaOne and DevoXX
>> agreed, there probably should be at least one or a few more EE JSRs.
>>
>> Maybe not one for packaging only, but as you mentioned configuration,
>> staging and maybe deployment. Not sure if bundling them all into one works,
>> any other suggestions?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Reza Rahman <reza_rahman_at_lycos.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I'd rather this be addressed as part of a larger initiative to
>>> modernize Java EE configuration in general (discussed ad nausea some time
>>> ago).
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/6/2012 5:09 PM, Werner Keil wrote:
>>>
>>> It's funny, as Andrew L Rubiger who works e.g. on Shrinkwrap asked me
>>> just that (if I believe some of it might be worthy of a JSR) some time
>>> between Java2Days last year in Sofia and DevoXX briefly after[?]
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Antonio Goncalves <
>>> antonio.goncalves_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Funny. I was playing with ShrinkWrap lately and saw the same kind of
>>>> APIs on GlassFish : APIs to build archives. A shame this is not standard.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 21:58, Jim Knutson <knutson_at_us.ibm.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Adam Bien <abien_at_adam-bien.com> wrote on 11/11/2011 05:38:14 AM:
>>>>> > I would standardize the existence of exploded JARs, WARs and EARs.
>>>>> > All application servers do support that anyway,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this a deployment artifact you are talking about or a post
>>>>> deployment form?
>>>>>
>>>>> If this is to support faster development patterns, then you need
>>>>> to be more specific about the pattern since many build systems
>>>>> are finicky in their directory layout and relationships and it's
>>>>> not clear that just extracting the deployment artifact is worth it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Jim Knutson
>>>>> WebSphere Java EE Architect
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>
>
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