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[jsr342-experts] Re: Modularity in Java EE 7

From: Bill Shannon <bill.shannon_at_oracle.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 12:57:36 -0700

Exactly, that's part of the decision to be made. Maybe there's not
enough value in that? Not to mention, it would still be very hard
to do.

Antonio Goncalves wrote on 09/28/11 01:01:
> Bill, when you say "deliver EE 7 sooner" that means before Q4 2012 ? It's only
> 15 months away. What would be the motivation to deliver earlier ?
>
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 08:43, Bill Shannon <bill.shannon_at_oracle.com
> <mailto:bill.shannon_at_oracle.com>> wrote:
>
> We're putting off modularity to EE 8. We really have no choice in that
> if we want to be aligned with the module system in SE 8.
>
> The possibility to consider is whether putting off other things as well
> would allow us to deliver EE 7 sooner, and if so would that be a good thing?
>
> Jeff Genender wrote on 09/27/2011 04:40 PM:
>
> Bill,
>
> Regarding your original email, I wasn't sure if you were referring to
> putting off modularity to EE8 or you meant putting off other things?
>
> Jeff
>
> On Sep 27, 2011, at 2:57 PM, Bill Shannon wrote:
>
> Jason T. Greene wrote on 9/27/11 1:51 PM:
>
> On 9/27/11 2:56 PM, Bill Shannon wrote:
>
> -snip-
>
> We have considered several
> alternatives moving forward, including delivering Java EE 7
> with the
> remaining content as planned, or splitting the Java EE 7
> release into
> smaller Java EE 7 and Java EE 8 releases, with only a small
> time gap
> between those two releases, and with Java EE 8 containing only
> modularity support and any remaining original content from
> Java EE 7.
>
> I know this will be a disappointment to all of us, but I'm
> sure you'll
> understand the constraints and agree that alignment with the
> upcoming
> Java SE module system is essential.
>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> I definitely think this was the right decision to make, and
> relay Red Hat's
> support. Due to the massive impact modularity will have I think
> it's more
> important that EE and SE be cleanly aligned, then for us to be
> early.
>
>
> Thanks for the support.
>
> The idea you mention above of fast tracking EE7 is interesting.
> Does this imply
> revisiting the main goals? We would love to see some more work
> on unifying the
> specs (e.g. common services like tx, sec, and so on), and that
> seems more
> achievable in a short time frame.
>
>
> At this point we're just collecting input.
>
> It sounds like you're suggesting that we scale back some (unnamed) goals
> and doing more work to unify specs. We're still considering the
> resource
> impact of the various possibilities but at this point we think we'd
> likely
> have to remove more than just modularity to make a significant
> difference
> in the EE 7 schedule.
>
> Still, I'm interested in what additional spec unification you'd like
> to see.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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