Hi,

Thanks for the update.

I assume, if some who raise PRs or plan to do so in the future joined the JCP as Associate Members (e.g. Reza himself who I recall did so), that would also be an option? Or do they also need an OCA in addition to that?

Regards,

Werner

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Guillermo González de Agüero <z06.guillermo@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

My OCA was already approved (thanks to Reza Rahman and David Delabasse). I'll have to check my pull requests to see if they are still relevant and rebase them if needed. Sorry for not telling you before.

Regards,

Guillermo González de Agüero.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 11:40 AM, arjan tijms <arjan.tijms@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Werner Keil <werner.keil@gmail.com> wrote:

That is similar as e.g. CDI taking certain responsibilities from e.g. EJB. It may take time.

Indeed, this is pretty much the same thing. At least in JSF I was able to deprecate the native managed bean annotations in favour of the CDI version ;)

 

The Soteria build seems to fail now. Does that have to do with the new methods?

Nope, it's only the TomEE build that always fails on:

"Failed to read artifact descriptor for org.apache.tomee:javaee-api:jar:7.0-1-SNAPSHOT: Could not transfer artifact org.apache.tomee:javaee-api:pom:7.0-1-SNAPSHOT from/to codehaus-snapshots (https://nexus.codehaus.org/snapshots/): nexus.codehaus.org: Unknown host nexus.codehaus.org"

Usually if I restart just the TomEE job manually again it does succeed.

 

I cloned it and after adjusting some formats in classes or POM files tried to commit, but it seems that does not work. Soteria is not a copy of a java.net repository, so what's the reason some or all EG members cannot push to it?

We have to check the rights then. All EG should be able to push.

 

There are also many pull requests in the pipeline, so if that was the only way to do this right now, I wonder, if that works or why some (e.g. Rudy mentioned he found a problem during the demo in Sofia) are not merged for some time?

Mostly time as far as myself am concerned. I typically try to squash in some time to work on Soteria during my commute, but there's only so much I can do then until I'm welcomed to the barrage of tickets at work or the mountain of chores at home.

In case of the current open PRs there's also the question of the person doing them waiting for the confirmation of signing the OCA, and then us doing the multi store commit that conflicted with those PRs, so then have to be rebased/redone I think.

Kind regards,

Arjan Tijms

 

Kind Regards,

Werner

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 11:01 AM, arjan tijms <arjan.tijms@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

Since JAX-RS resources can be injected with CDI beans, a JAX-RS artefact should be able to inject and use the JSR 375 SecurityContext.

Whether we can convince the other specs to formally deprecate their own versions is another thing. For that it's perhaps a  pity that there's not really a concept of an umbrella spec in Java EE that sets guidelines for those things. (I know there's an umbrella spec, of course, but in practice it doesn't seem to concern itself much with matters like this)

I just added the two methods to the SecurityContext btw: https://github.com/javaee-security-spec/soteria/commit/d41b141fef232c8d2689c7e5bb260dc19f74d933

Kind regards,

Arjan Tijms

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Werner Keil <werner.keil@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

It would of course be good to have that sooner, but if e.g. JAX-RS 2.1 (also facing Renewal Ballot now AFAIK) could leverage that now hard to say.

Kind Regards,

Werner

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 10:38 AM, arjan tijms <arjan.tijms@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 12:44 AM, Werner Keil <werner.keil@gmail.com> wrote:

While OpenID Connect offers to add some optional metadata a concept of roles seems undefined right now, so we may not require it for certain use cases, but others would certainly benefit from it.

JAX-RS has its own SecurityContext https://jax-rs-spec.java.net/nonav/2.0/apidocs/javax/ws/rs/core/SecurityContext.html

Indeed, so as per the JIRA issue the first and foremost goal of the SecurityContext is essentially a cross-spec version of the JAX-RS SecurityContext.

Basically if it has the isCallerInRole and getCallerPrincipal methods, it's 95% there.

Those two methods are now found in more or less identical versions in 4 different specs.

Kind regards,

Arjan Tijms

 

Looking at Spring Security the SecurityContext interfact there is somewhat closer to the one in JSR 375 but it also has a getter for an Authentication object. 

In https://java.net/jira/browse/JAVAEE_SECURITY_SPEC-12 this could be getCallerPrincipal(), getAuthMethod() or similar but they do not currently exist in SecurityContect.

Kind Regards,

Werner

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Will Hopkins <will.hopkins@oracle.com> wrote:

Experts,

While I've received some input for the spec from Arjan (thanks!), and there may be some coming from Werner as well, I haven't been able to put the terminology section in place, and the content we have so far is, I think, too thin to release as an EDR.

I therefore propose we move forward with the renewal ballot, indicating that the EDR is taking shape and expected to be released soon, and that the expert group is active and involved in producing the EDR, as well as the API and an associated RI.  It's my understanding that there is unlikely to be a problem getting the renewal ballot approved.

What say you all?

Will

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