users@javaee-security-spec.java.net

[javaee-security-spec users] [jsr375-experts] Re: Social Media presence for Soteria

From: Alex Kosowski <alex.kosowski_at_oracle.com>
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2016 18:32:15 -0500

Hi Arjan,

I added you as "owner" role (i.e. admin) in the organization
https://github.com/orgs/javaee-security-spec.

Please feel free to add/modify repos as required.

I ask that you do not change
https://github.com/javaee-security-spec/spec-api, which is a mirror of
git://java.net/javaee-security-spec~spec-api. Per Oracle, the "source of
truth" of released artifacts need to be in java.net, and the mirror
facilitates accessibility within GitHub. Also, please do not change the
Bots team. So, once we complete and "release" the EDR, we would need to
copy it to java.net.

Thanks for your contributions to the JSR!

With regards,
Alex

On 2/1/16, 10:28 AM, Alex Kosowski wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Not a problem. Let me take a look.
>
> Regards,
> Alex
>
> On 2/1/16, 6:23 AM, Werner Keil wrote:
>> You'd have to ask David or Alex (depending on who is more responsive
>> right now?;-) but I'd say, at the very least you could/should be an
>> admin if that's used by the organization or otherwise also made
>> co-owner.
>> I have a similar role in JSR 354 (as I helped create it like David
>> did here), so that's not reserved to Spec Leads alone.
>>
>> Werner
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 12:19 PM, arjan tijms <arjan.tijms_at_gmail.com
>> <mailto:arjan.tijms_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Okay, cool, so if either of them could make me an owner too, OR
>> create that soteria repo, then I can copy the code to there.
>> After the version can become edr1-alpha1 or something, We can
>> then increase the alphaX versions until we do the actual EDR
>> submission.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Werner Keil
>> <werner.keil_at_gmail.com <mailto:werner.keil_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, according to GitHub only Alex and David are owners, so
>> either of them could add such repo;-)
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>> Werner
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 12:01 PM, arjan tijms
>> <arjan.tijms_at_gmail.com <mailto:arjan.tijms_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Werner Keil
>> <werner.keil_at_gmail.com <mailto:werner.keil_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> P.s.: IMHO the "edr1" should not be part of the
>> artifactId, it's clearly a part of the version number.
>>
>>
>> I guess it is, but shouldn't soteria then not become it's
>> own top level repo? E.g.
>> https://github.com/javaee-security-spec/soteria
>>
>> One of the reasons I went with edr1 in the artifact name
>> for now (I knows it's not ideal and should be changed) is
>> that the version as set in Maven would best be aligned
>> with the git tag, but if you do that know the entire
>> https://github.com/javaee-security-spec/javaee-security-proposals
>> repo would get that tag. The authentication/authorization
>> etc folders are independent of that.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Arjan Tijms
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> So maybe we could have 2 Maven modules under
>> "soteria-proposal" or similar and simply call them
>> "javax.security-api:security-api" (in the API project
>> the artifactId also contains the "javax" part, not
>> sure, if other EE JSRs do that also on MavenCentral?)
>> as well as "net.java.jsr375:soteria" for now.
>>
>> Something like "EDR1" "B01" or similar should only be
>> in the version number.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Werner
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Werner Keil
>> <werner.keil_at_gmail.com
>> <mailto:werner.keil_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> At least Reza is very eager blogging all the
>> time, maybe he could help us with some of the
>> things like updating RI list, etc.?;-)
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Werner
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Werner Keil
>> <werner.keil_at_gmail.com
>> <mailto:werner.keil_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Sounds great, thanks.
>>
>> If anybody has enough rights in JIRA we could
>> schedule these accordingly and define at
>> least "versions" for each of these EDR and
>> other steps.
>>
>> I noticed, the larger Glassfish community has
>> also not been updated for 3 years now (guess
>> Oracle is not so interested in Glassfish now
>> after all? ;-|)
>> https://glassfish.java.net/rel-projects.html
>>
>> MVC and JSR 375 RIs should be listed there
>> and if there is a CI server instance for
>> Glassfish or related projects, we should try
>> to run those on a CI build, too.
>>
>> Known public CI servers like Travis or
>> Circle-CI would also work if we had to do
>> this on our own.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>> Werner
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 12:43 AM, arjan tijms
>> <arjan.tijms_at_gmail.com
>> <mailto:arjan.tijms_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 8:28 PM, Werner
>> Keil <werner.keil_at_gmail.com
>> <mailto:werner.keil_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Ideally we should keep API/Spec (it's
>> simply Asciidoc like JSR 354) and RI
>> separate.
>> Snapshot repos are fine, we used
>> JFrog OSS with JSRs 354 or 363 but
>> Sonatype is just as good (possibly
>> easier to get it to MavenCentral then)
>>
>>
>> Indeed, we went specifically for that
>> with Sonatype for OmniFaces.
>>
>> From a process point we have up to 1
>> year from the Renewal Ballot, but of
>> course it's always better to produce
>> something earlier. Could always do
>> EDR2 or more similar to MVC and others.
>>
>>
>> Yeah, I think it's best we do something
>> like that.
>>
>> EDR1 is then roughly;
>>
>> * Authentication Mechanism base API
>> * Several implementations of
>> authentication mechanisms
>> * Two mechanism interceptors; auto
>> session and remember me
>> * Identity store base API
>> * Several implementations of identity stores
>> * Standard Principal for the caller (used
>> by JSR 375 at least, standardising this
>> for the entire platform will be bigger task)
>>
>> For EDR2 to consider:
>>
>> * Multi authentication mechanism proposal
>> from Darran
>> * Multi identity store proposal from Rudy
>> * Security context
>> * Security interceptor proposal from Reza
>> et all
>>
>> For EDR3 to consider:
>> * Mandating containers doing 1:1 role
>> mapping (we can't really implement this
>> using public APIs, but RI could do it
>> using GlassFish specific code)
>> * web.xml integration/alignment
>>
>> There's (much) more on the TODO list like
>> events, password aliasing and more, but
>> the above may be a guideline on how to
>> proceed.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Arjan Tijms
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>> Werner
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 5:47 PM,
>> arjan tijms <arjan.tijms_at_gmail.com
>> <mailto:arjan.tijms_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Okay, so that remains an open
>> question.
>>
>> Meanwhile I've done a quick
>> snapshot upload here using our
>> omnnifaces groupId:
>> https://oss.sonatype.org/content/repositories/snapshots/org/omnifaces/soteria-edr1/1.0-SNAPSHOT/
>>
>> I made some choices with regard
>> to naming and organisation here.
>>
>> Both API and impl. are in the
>> same Maven module, just as two
>> different packages. MVC has the
>> API as a separate artefact in a
>> separate repo, with the
>> implementation depending on that.
>> JSF however has api and impl as
>> two folders in one larger
>> project. Once the API is a little
>> bit more stable and we can more
>> easily upload both artefacts
>> under their own groupIds, we
>> should do the separation I guess.
>>
>> I also named the artefact
>> "soteria-edr1" for now. It could
>> have been just soteria with
>> "edr1" as the version number. For
>> now I thought it was easier and
>> clearer to have a separate edr1
>> folder, and then later have an
>> edr2 etc, but we can change this
>> of course. I just had to pick
>> something for now.
>>
>> I'll test a little with the
>> snapshot and can do a Maven
>> central upload using the
>> omnifaces groupId for the short
>> term. This would make it easier
>> for people to at least try out
>> the code in their own test projects.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Arjan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 5:17 PM,
>> Werner Keil
>> <werner.keil_at_gmail.com
>> <mailto:werner.keil_at_gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Not sure, who in the EG can
>> do that, at least someone had
>> to request upload privileges
>> to MavenCentral for a groupId
>> like org.glassfish.soteria
>> and of course for
>> javax.security.* too,
>> otherwise it won't build ;-)
>>
>> Werner
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 12:49
>> AM, arjan tijms
>> <arjan.tijms_at_gmail.com
>> <mailto:arjan.tijms_at_gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at
>> 6:31 PM, Werner Keil
>> <werner.keil_at_gmail.com
>> <mailto:werner.keil_at_gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> So along the lines of
>> MVC it should be
>> packageorg.glassfish.soteria;
>> then ;-)
>>
>>
>> I just did the initial
>> commit for the work in
>> progress EDR1:
>> https://github.com/javaee-security-spec/javaee-security-proposals/commit/e482ba6580072ad82413a80c40e7d3112b83119a
>>
>> The implementation
>> package is
>> org.glassfish.soteria ;)
>>
>> Please in the
>> proposals repo try to
>> use the license
>> header plugin.
>> Looking at e.g.
>> JAX-RS, the header
>> spans across multiple
>> years for some JSRs
>> (probably will be for
>> MVC if they do
>> something again)
>> Copyright (c)
>> 2010-2015 Oracle
>> and/or its
>> affiliates. All
>> rights reserved.
>>
>>
>> I had already copied the
>> header manually to the
>> API files, but I'll try
>> the license plug-in
>> header next.
>>
>> For promotion it would be
>> cool if we can publish
>> the work in progress EDR1
>> jar to Maven central so
>> people can more easily
>> try it out.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Arjan Tijms
>>
>>
>>
>> Right now the license
>> plugin as of last
>> year only uses the
>> inception year (from
>> the POM) but
>> "currentYear" is also
>> available. If you
>> want I can run the
>> license reformatting
>> at any time when
>> things are changed.
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
>> Werner
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016
>> at 6:18 PM, arjan
>> tijms
>> <arjan.tijms_at_gmail.com <mailto:arjan.tijms_at_gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Great :)
>>
>> I'll do the
>> package renaming
>> tonight or
>> tomorrow at the
>> latest and commit
>> the whole to the
>> proposals repo.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Arjan Tijms
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 29,
>> 2016 at 9:08 AM,
>> Rudy De Busscher
>> <rdebusscher_at_gmail.com
>> <mailto:rdebusscher_at_gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> I created the
>> Twitter
>> account
>> @Soteria_RI
>> to
>> promote the
>> RI and
>> evangelise Java
>> EE Security
>> in general.
>>
>> best regards
>> Rudy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>