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Re: COMMUNITY HELP: GlassFish V3 & Java EE 6 Verifier

From: John Clingan <John.Clingan_at_Sun.COM>
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:30:38 -0800

Thanks, whartung, Gabor and bbergquist for the feedback. This has been
very helpful.

On Dec 20, 2007, at 10:25 AM, glassfish_at_javadesktop.org wrote:

> I don't use it every single time, but I do think it is a "must have".
>
> One of the beauties of EJB 3 is that it's much easier to get basic
> applications running with minimal boiler plate and configuration. On
> that level, there is less of a need for a verifier.
>
> But one of the best features of EJB 3 is its backward compatability,
> and the ability to "take control" over the easy to use
> "configuration by convention" aspects. On top of that, you get to
> selectively apply that kind of configuration to you application as
> you need it. You don't have to completely give up the ease of use
> features when you want to customize a small part of the deploy.
>
> That said, all of that ease of use comes at the price of assumptions
> made by the container during deployment. Now, all of those
> assumptions may well be documented, but when you've been deploying
> an app for 3 months and "something changed" and it "suddenly doesn't
> work", those assumptions are most likely not on your radar.
>
> Having something like the verifier to expose those assumptions to
> the user, and point out the decisions it's making is very helpful
> compared to silently doing it's business and then failing with some
> nonsense error message.
>
> That said, I only run it for debugging purposes after I encounter an
> error, as I find it adds quite a bit to the deploy time.
>
> The "simplicity" and "man behind the curtain" nature of modern EJB I
> think makes something like the verifier essential.
> [Message sent by forum member 'whartung' (whartung)]
>
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