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Re: admin iteam meeting

From: Tom Mueller <tom.mueller_at_oracle.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:13:57 -0600

  Note that with issue 14284, which points out that sometimes this
warning message is repeated multiple times by some commands (such a
deploy), the text of the message is going to be changed thusly:

WARNING : Instance c1i1_aha seems to be offline; ${command name} was not
replicated to that instance

where ${command name} is the subcommand that was not replicated. This
way, a deploy with --force would have messages with _disable, _deploy,
etc. in them, rather than duplicates. In the case of creating an
instance, the subcommand would be _register-instance-at-instance.

Also, note that it isn't just cluster instances that result in this
message. It is output for stand-alone instances too when a domain-level
resource is created, for example.

Tom



On 11/16/2010 2:46 PM, Chris Kasso wrote:
> Tom (and Admin team),
>
> As I mentioned last week I have a conflict this week so I can not
> attend the admin meeting. In regards to the topic concerning {create,
> delete}-instance and the offline instance message:
>
> 1) Do we feel strongly that the existence of this message is more
> useful to users than confusing? I assume most users do not
> understand the design of the product or the need for these commands to
> be replicated behind the scenes.
>
> My reaction when I first saw this message was concern about what went
> wrong, why it went wrong and what I now need to do to correct the
> situation. (The reality was I did not need to be concerned and I did
> not need to take any action)
>
> 2) Is this going to be a common scenario repeated and seen by many -
> e.g. create a bunch of instances prior to starting them?
> 3) What do we expect most users to do with this information? Why is
> it useful to them? If it really is just an info message concerning
> the overall health of the cluster (e.g. hey buddy, FYI, not all
> instances are up - just thought you should know) then shouldn't it say
> that instead of saying the command could not be replicated (since the
> user isn't expected to replicate the command in this case)?
>
> 4) If I can't convince folks to drop the message all together...
>
> WARNING : Instance c1i1_aha seems to be offline; Command was not
> replicated to that instance
>
> ...then we need to improve this message so that it eases any concerns
> a user may have that they now need to do something to resolve the fact
> that the command was not replicated. Maybe something like:
>
> INFO: The following cluster instance could not be contacted during
> this operation. The instance will be notified when it becomes
> available: c1i1_aha
>
> Chris
>
> Tom Mueller wrote:
>> Here is the agenda for today's admin iteam meeting. Just one topic
>> from last week, plus status reports.
>> Please let me know if you have additional topics.
>> http://wikis.sun.com/display/GlassFish/AdminIteam
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> Meeting Details:
>>
>> Tuesdays 3PM Pacific
>> Room: PEZ, SCA 22, 1st floor, 1305
>> US toll free: 866-682-4770
>> Code: 1485398#
>> Security Code: 4321#
>> Email alias: admin_at_glassfish.dev.java.net
>>
>>
>> Agenda - Nov 9, 2010
>>
>> * warning message from create-instance (about down instances)
>>
>> * General Topics
>> o Quality update
>> + Monitoring
>> + Admin Infrastructure
>> o Documentation update
>>
>>
>
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